Dungeon — Project "Ascension".

Saruman

19 years ago

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Ple-Sen: most units are taken from the Forgotten Realms with some changes and so on.
Thanks to Gamehunter, ettins are giants from the Forgotten Realms setting used in Ultima Online. I found a picture of one. As for the hatred toward ogres, yes, I think it's possible.
Myconids - also from there and from R. Salvatore's books about the dark elf. In short, they are like the little mushrooms from Russian fairy tales, only they live underground, are more evil, and have a different design.
Illithids are from the same place; IMHO, these are the ones that cannot be removed, as both in Forgotten Realms and in Salvatore's works, they take the most active part in the life of dark elf society.
It bothers me a bit that the elves have only one flying unit and the Seer, although this is probably compensated for by the teleport. What do you think?
I don same like the name - kobold-foreman. Maybe replace it with something else?

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Ple-Sen

19 years ago

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perhaps a kobold miner or a kobold worker, a kobold in servitude. By the way, illithids are disgusting creatures; I remember them from Baldur's Gate... and they don't reproduce in the best way...

Magnus

19 years ago

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Sorry for barging in, but I think a spider doesn't really fit the aesthetic of the Elves. It would be better to use a skull, a crescent moon, or something else, but a spider just doesn't seem right.

Ple-Sen

19 years ago

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In the Forgotten Realms, they worshiped the spider goddess Lolth. However, they also worshiped Vecna, the lich god, and Talona, the lady of poisons, and some other deity...

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Magnus

19 years ago

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Ple-Sen;80086

In the Forgotten Realms, they worshipped the spider goddess Lolth. However, they also worshipped Vecna, the lich god, and Talona, the lady of poisons, and someone else...

But there's more. Because, as I understand it, they are building a separate world. And therefore, it is not necessary to discard everything from FR. It is necessary to take a little from there and a little from somewhere else. For example, the snake made of symbols of the High Elves in Heroes 5.

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Мугайс

19 years ago

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Saruman, say hello to Drizzt Do'Urden for me ;)

But I don't understand how illithids ended up on the same side as the drow. They are quite independent creatures.

And also: Hecate is an ancient Greek goddess of night and witchcraft. Why do drow worship an ancient Greek goddess? :)

Saruman

19 years ago

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Magnus, you’re not barging in; I welcome any criticism (as long as it’s justified). Besides, most of the races here are related to the concept of RPG2. I’ll think about the symbol; the race really doesn’t look very spider-like… Most likely, a crescent moon.
I’ll definitely pass on the message about Mugais. Regarding Hecate, I don’t like Lolth, and besides, the race isn’t exactly drow; Hecate, as a goddess of the night, is quite suitable for dark elves.
I’ve made a few changes to the kobolds.

gamehuntera

19 years ago

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Regarding the ancient Greek deity, everything makes sense. There was an official map featuring Zeus, wasn't there?

And the goddess's name is not very well-known, unlike names like Mercury.

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Magnus

19 years ago

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Saruman;80209

Magnus, you don't just barge in; I welcome any criticism (if it's justified). Besides, most of the factions here are related to the concept of RPG2. I'll think about the symbol; the race really doesn't look very spider-like... Most likely, a crescent moon.
I'll definitely pass on the message about Mugais. Regarding Hecate – I don't like Lloth, and besides, the race isn't exactly drow; Hecate, as a goddess of the night, is quite suitable for dark elves.
I've made some changes to the kobolds.

Yes, but usually, high elves worship a goddess of secrets and intrigue. A crescent moon is good, but usually, lunar elves worship the night.
In TES, dark elves worshiped the Tribunal, and before that, Boethiah,
but in Heroes 5, they worship the goddess of darkness, the faceless Malassa, who combines intrigue and shadow, and I think that shadow is better for them than night. After all, their motto is:
"Hide, listen, observe, remember... And when the time comes, strike from the shadows."

Saruman

19 years ago

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Yes, that makes sense, but night and the moon are symbols of mystery, shadows, and intrigue. And I don't think there will be a separate faction for Moon Elves.

Ple-Sen

19 years ago

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By the way, there was talk here about replacing illithids with other creatures; there are many options, for example, Orog (underground, gray orcs, the most intelligent, and good strategists who know the tactics of different races) from the Forgotten Realms. They also live underground...

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Magnus

19 years ago

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Ple-Sen;80828

By the way, someone mentioned replacing the illithids with other creatures; there are plenty of options. For example, the Orog (underground, gray orcs – the most intelligent and good strategists, knowledgeable about the tactics of different races) from Forgotten Realms, they also live underground...

Well, still, it doesn't quite fit to have orcs who do everything directly (Barbarians) and dark elves, who will cause trouble before engaging in melee combat 8). Therefore, I think the illithids should stay, but instead of making them humans, they should be some kind of half-elves, but they should resemble drow in description. And since we won't have spiders, we need to remove the spider-like features and replace them with Shadowlords from Heroes 5, or replace them with illithids, and for the 5th-level unit, use lizard riders or hydras. And another important omission is the lack of dragons, which would be like an embodiment of the goddess or her servants. And there are no ordinary representatives of the race, such as minotaurs, but their ability for constant morale was given to kobolds, and honestly, from the dark elf race, some kind of academy from Heroes 5 appears.
kobold – why not a gremlin?
drow, why not a rajaka, although illithids could take their place due to their appearance, and it's also very strange that mind flayers live in the Dungeon; I think it's better to make them neutral, or followers of Shalassa, i.e., send them to the sea elves, or even to the nagas

Ple-Sen

19 years ago

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And you can replace the illithids with Imaskar (formerly a powerful warlock empire that later had to hide in dungeons; they are proud but not stupid) from the Forgotten Realms. Or with Yuan-Ti or with Zlobohlaz (they cooperated with the Thay). Or with Duergar.

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Magnus

19 years ago

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Ple-Sen;80866

Well, you could replace the illithids with Immaskarites (a once-mighty warlock empire that later had to hide in dungeons; they are proud but not stupid) from the Forgotten Realms. Or with Yuan-Ti, or with Githyanki (they collaborated with the Mind Flayers), or with Duergar.

I think we need to put the most typical monsters for the Elves, like minotaurs, lizard riders, or manticore riders. Otherwise, there aren't many flying units, and we need about 2.

Tengro

19 years ago

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Ple-Sen, since when have the Gloomfangs been collaborating with the Drow?
Yes, gentlemen, the general idea is great. Just fewer borrowings from Factions. Because it turned out strangely in terms of style. Riders on lizards and manticores... it's better to have them on lizards and dragons... and give the lizards the ability to climb:
Remove the Illithids and assign them to the Lolth-worshipping Drow (and put the Drow in their place:) - note from the second You). (It won't work, they were called Draiters - note from the first I). Magn, remember that Illithids are only found in the Underground according to all the canons:)

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