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Roger DAltavilla
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Roger DAltavilla
KobRa_RR
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I finally got to my computer, so I'll respond regarding the substitutions. What's the difference between the substitutions Bishop made and Cobra's substitution?
Diabler. Bishop chose the very first player from the second group and selected Diabler (the strongest in his opinion). Unfortunately, Diabler is currently in the hospital after an operation, so he cannot continue the tournament, even if he wants to. And before the new year, he was actively trying to play with his opponents. I believe the substitution of Diabler with Joker is adequate and equivalent.
SP_SkyLine. Back in early November, Bishop wrote that SkyLine had disappeared and was not appearing on the forum or in ICQ. In early December, he appeared, said he would finish everything, but on December 17th (his last visit to the forum), he disappeared and has not appeared since. He also didn't play a single game in his group in the "Favorites" league, meaning he has really disappeared. I also believe the substitution with Bowser is quite adequate. So, both substitutions were not made out of a good situation and were made out of necessity.
Regarding Cobra's situation. Yesterday, Cobra messaged me on ICQ, saying that Identity is not responding at all and a substitution is needed, and he found Vanya. I didn't respond immediately because I was playing a tournament with Graf Bananov. And I needed to weigh everything. It turns out that Identity hasn't disappeared anywhere and is actually playing, and even playing in the "Favorites" league. Moreover, they were trying to play with JustObserver and even drafted templates (meaning the game has practically started). In fact, he hasn't disappeared and is playing. This substitution looks like an attempt to replace a player (who showed a weak result) with a stronger one to win the last matches and, at the same time, strengthen the team's lineup in the playoffs. The substitution is not forced, so I cannot allow it.
P.S. Perhaps I was wrong in allowing the substitution for Bishop's team, but there the substitutions were forced and equivalent. But in Cobra's case, it's just a blatant attempt to cheat, which is disgusting.
P.P.S.: It is also possible that I am not objective, as I am to some extent an interested party. I would like to hear the opinions of other organizers/judges on this issue (preferably on ICQ).
It seems to me that you haven't read the previous three pages or simply don't want to hear other people's arguments. In that case, in order for us to finally decide on this tournament, it would be good to listen to other judges, preferably on the forum.
Roger DAltavilla
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1) I support Dirty_Player's suggestion regarding replacements.
2) I am extending the deadline to January 20, 2015, until 10:00 PM Moscow time, for the match between Identity and JustObserver. However, other participants can also submit their reports.
3) Tomorrow, January 19th, around 3:00-4:00 PM Moscow time, I will be assigning technical results and making decisions based on the submitted saves. (If there is no report and a complaint is filed against the opponent or the save is missing, both players will receive technical losses).
4) The draw will be held on January 20th, after 10:00 PM Moscow time.
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Nitro
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If the schedule doesn't appear today or tomorrow, I'm withdrawing the team from the tournament.
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Roger DAltavilla
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If I were organizing this tournament, the rules would definitely be different. Besides, I now have another job, and I don't have much energy left. Therefore, extending the stage is primarily up to the organizer. :D And finally, let's not forget that today is a holiday, so let's put aside the arguments.
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R@sIM
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We need to be stricter about deadlines! :D :D
Dark30
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Stole, drank, and ended up in jail – didn’t have time, couldn’t, so it happened. Romantic.
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Vatya
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I don't remember much anymore, who played what, I only remember the map and the deadline, so I just guessed... We saved the game at the beginning of September, and it was a real pain to finish it, and I didn't really have time, so I decided to give up, because according to the plan, it would take at least another 2-2.5 weeks to finish, and I don't want to deal with such a hassle.
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Lim4 (00:00:19 9/12/2014)
by the way, Sticky said he can't play) maybe we should ask for a replacement for him, otherwise it's not clear what to do. although, as you say, if I lose to Bubucha, then it won't be necessary)
Just for information... (Forgive me, Masha, for revealing confidential information...)
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Lim4 (00:00:19 9/12/2014)
by the way, Sticky said he can't play) maybe we should ask for a replacement for him, otherwise it's not clear what to do. although, as you say, if I lose to Bubucha, then it won't be necessary)
Just for information... (Forgive me, Masha, for revealing confidential information...)
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Осень-Зима 2013-14.
Осень-Зима 2013-14.
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Quite serious. Diabler is a strong player, and at the moment, I consider him stronger than Joker. Bishop had the first pick from the 2nd tier, so he has every right to expect a strong player.
Couldn't resist butting in on the argument:smile04:
PS Maybe these 2 replacements are more forced than Cobra's, but let's be honest, they are, to put it mildly, not random in terms of skill level; the strongest were chosen from those who could be put in these tiers, and if they are allowed, then the replacement in Cobra's team should also be, in my opinion... anarchy is anarchy:smile04:
Sanin
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I am surprised by the organizers and judges' disregard for the rules and regulations. It's like they wanted to count the Cobra and Rebellius game from OFB as part of the FB. Or, in the favorites list, Pit disappeared, didn't give instructions to his assistants, didn't give them authority; you ask when the round ends, and no one knows. There isn't even a regulation yet, even though the group stage has been played.
Here, R55Max left us with an excellent regulation, which clearly states that players registered after a certain date cannot participate in the tournament. The new organizers, without reading the regulation and without making changes to it, take such a person. Moreover, it turns out that this is an old player, according to Cobra, comparable in skill to the top players, and he is taken into the second tier, even though the ratio of his wins to losses indicates a very strong level of play. The argument that Diabler is supposedly the strongest in the second tier is not an argument for replacing him with a player from the first tier. FireToSky is in the second tier according to the rating, so just take him instead of Diabler. Joker doesn't fit into any of the criteria.
Furthermore, as I understand it, the replacement scheme is as follows: a player is registered as a reserve, and then the team takes that player from the reserves. But here, no one was registered as a reserve. In general, this looks like an attempt to push Bishop further.
Here, R55Max left us with an excellent regulation, which clearly states that players registered after a certain date cannot participate in the tournament. The new organizers, without reading the regulation and without making changes to it, take such a person. Moreover, it turns out that this is an old player, according to Cobra, comparable in skill to the top players, and he is taken into the second tier, even though the ratio of his wins to losses indicates a very strong level of play. The argument that Diabler is supposedly the strongest in the second tier is not an argument for replacing him with a player from the first tier. FireToSky is in the second tier according to the rating, so just take him instead of Diabler. Joker doesn't fit into any of the criteria.
Furthermore, as I understand it, the replacement scheme is as follows: a player is registered as a reserve, and then the team takes that player from the reserves. But here, no one was registered as a reserve. In general, this looks like an attempt to push Bishop further.
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Dark
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But at the same time, swapping one of the weakest players from the 3rd tier for someone who objectively pulls the weight of the 2nd tier is also okay, right?
Couldn't resist joining the argument:smile04:
PS Maybe these 2 substitutions are more necessary than Cobra's, but let's be honest, they are not random in terms of skill level; the strongest players were chosen from those who could be placed in these tiers, and if they are allowed, then the substitution in Cobra's team should also be, in my opinion... anarchy is anarchy:smile04:
I request that ZHEKA, aka GODA, be substituted (he agrees!):cool:
лето 2012.
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It seems you haven't read the previous three pages or simply don't want to hear other people's arguments. In that case, to finally decide on this tournament, it would be good to hear from other judges, preferably on the forum.
Sevan_80
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The replacement is not adequate. Let's just ask all the captains. But Bishop's replacement is adequate. You can read the reports of a player from the 2nd tier and see who he defeated. You can read the reports of Faertus and compare.
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=Lizard=
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Based on experience, giving participants any freedom from the organizers is never acceptable. It always leads to arguments and chaos. In team tournaments: if a player from a team is unable to play, their games should simply be recorded as technical losses. This does not prevent the team from winning all their games with a score of 2-1.
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Based on experience, giving participants any freedom from the organizers is never acceptable. It always leads to arguments and chaos. In team tournaments: if a player from a team is unable to play, their games should simply be recorded as technical losses. This doesn't prevent the team from winning all their games with a score of 2-1.
Sevan_80
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Based on experience, giving participants any freedom from the organizers is never acceptable. It always leads to arguments and chaos. In team tournaments: if a player on a team is unable to play, their games should simply be recorded as technical losses. This doesn't prevent the team from winning all their games with a score of 2-1.
Ася 581706700, Скайп Sevan_80