Posts from [2x2 Tournament] Teamwork

Well, logically speaking, shouldn't the person who corrupted the save file be held responsible?

I'm dealing with people who don't understand what logic is.

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You were waiting for Satyr because on the day we were supposed to play, your game crashed every turn, and because of that, we didn't finish and couldn't even save properly. No one asked you for a certificate from the housing office to confirm that you actually had a power outage; we understood.

Valenka's heroes died, and he reinstalled the game, deleting all the saves. It was stupid, but that's what happened. Instead of loading the previous save and continuing the game, you started pushing for a replay (SUDDENLY). The arguments for a replay were simply amazing. Naturally, we refused, as any reasonable team would, and you just started ignoring us. Then it turned out that you were messaging Lebron on ICQ and asking him for tech support (why not?).

I'm already leaving out the fact that I have to negotiate separately with each of you, as if you're not a team, and each of you has no idea when your teammate might be available and how to find a time that works for both of you. These are my problems.

After all of this, the last paragraph is just... endearing.

I would be willing to play a new game, but after the not-so-pleasant conversations, I no longer want to interact with this team in any way, nor with each of the players individually.

The circus left, but the clowns remained :smile12:

I've played many 2v2 games and know what it's like when opponents experience internet disconnections every turn. This requires waiting for the missing player, then loading the save, and then dealing with the added timer. All of this wastes a lot of real time and doesn't encourage playing. But this is 2v2, so in many situations, you need to be accommodating to each other. What happens next? Due to technical reasons, the save file that both players agreed to use is missing. However, this issue can be easily resolved (it's not a lost password) by simply loading the previous save file. Considering the number of save loads in this game, as a judge, I can't offer any other options in this situation. Blaming technical issues in my tournaments won't work.

Since neither side is willing to finish the game, I request that you send me the latest save file and passwords so that I can determine the result.

Actually, the situation is not worth the fuss, you've started a whole discussion here...
During the first attempts to play, one of the opponents had their internet drop out with astonishing regularity. The game would load, the timer would burn, and this citizen would RE-TAKE their turn. Although I wonder, what on earth for? How exactly was the turn repeated? In short, it was all based on trust, since there seemed to be no reason to distrust the opponents.
Basically, the proper thing to do after such regular disconnects would be to just send them packing... if you don't have the technical ability to play steadily, don't sign up for a team tournament. In short, after yet another disconnect, my nerves gave out towards morning and we decided to postpone. Why on earth should we start from my save? To give these losers another chance to redo some fight? To not barge into the Griffin Conservatory, where they lost last time? To run in the right direction instead of the one they went before?
Basically, I don't see a problem with finishing the game from any live save. BUT. The tech-win cheese begins. It's not even funny. We went to meet them halfway, loaded the game, waited, gave them the chance to take their turn, and then we get statements like this. And overall, the correspondence when trying to resume the game was not very pleasant. In short, for me, the situation is simple — they couldn't win fair and square (apparently their position in the game was bad), so the shenanigans start. And on top of that, there's manipulation of public opinion on the forum, sweet little posts about a proud team that won't finish the game with such disgusting citizens as us.

I would like to hear the opinions of other teams who have faced this team in the tournament, to get a complete picture.

I haven't faced your opponents, but I have a negative impression of you.

During the initial attempts to play, one of the opponents experienced frequent internet disconnections. The game would load, the timer would run, and the player would PASS their turn.

Why did someone pass their turn when the internet disconnected? When there's a disconnection, the game immediately offers to save, and there are no problems with continuing the game, besides having to burn an extra timer.

Why, when the internet connection dropped, did some players get disconnected? When the connection is lost, the game immediately offers to save, and there are no problems with continuing the game, except that you have to waste extra time on the timer.

There was a problem with the power grid, as I understand it, the computer simply turned off.

P.S.: In general, each team has its own unique feature. :D

...They were heading towards us, loading, waiting, giving us the opportunity to take our turn, and then these statements appeared. And in general, it wasn't a very pleasant exchange when trying to finish the game. For me, the situation is simple: they couldn't win fairly (apparently, the situation in the game was bad), so they started making excuses. And here, there's also manipulation of public opinion on the forum, sweet posts about a proud team that won't continue playing with such disgusting people like us.

All that's left for me to add is something along the lines of "you're all just fools" or a tech support extortionist. "Sapogi" (what a fitting word) is strangely silent about their own mistakes.

If you don't have the technical ability to play consistently, don't sign up for a team tournament.

Consistently – is that regularly limiting yourself to 3 hours of playtime and abandoning the game like you do? When everyone is ready to play and continue, but no... Or interrupting the game for a couple of weeks like Satyr? And why should I then painfully try to remember what was happening in the game and what needs to be done – which can take up to an hour, and there's no guarantee that I'll remember, and I need to warm up (considering that the timer won't forgive). (This dish has gone bad – and it goes in the trash.) And who doesn't have the ability, then? We can also remember how you demanded that we generate a map, and twice created one with strong monsters, which also resulted in wasted time (at least a day and a half of playtime). And then, after a long absence of one of the "Sapogi," we finally agreed to play, sat down at the "table," and it turned out that the player who was loading the game didn't have any saves (none at all).
All that's left for me to do is present a point from the regulations.

5. Participants must make saves during the tournament and keep them until its end. If, in the event of a controversial situation, a player does not have saves, then the situation will be interpreted against them.

The player did have saves. But he deleted them, all of them, meaning they are gone. ...here's your ticket to the ballet. There's no ticket for the tram.
Since there's no technical way to secure and copy the saves, why sign up for the tournament?
And don't talk and tell me that we haven't had cases where a decision was made based on the absence of saves. This point is constantly included in the regulations for a reason. And now, a situation has arisen. Otherwise, why write all these rules.

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I'm not at all surprised that begging for victory is now happening in this way (Mr. Red-Rush started his business in the tenth month))). Keep groveling in your pathetic attempts to cheat.
Indeed, if you can't win fairly, why not try this way? Take Satyr's saves and watch them as much as you want (I hope the judges will have enough saves from one of the team members). It's truly how rotten a person has to be to advance through the tournament bracket in this way.

BA/IEHOK, have you forgotten that you're not the only one here, and that there are other players here too. Real players. And they're not exactly thrilled with your nonsense. I won't continue this argument, but I will express my opinion because the situation is amusing. An old friend from the game, rebellious, suggested playing in a 2x2 tournament, stepping in for Piterius, who, for reasons unknown to me, refused to continue playing. I haven't participated in tournaments for over 2 years; I dare say, I had a forced break while in military service. And so, after such a break, and not being fully prepared, I agreed to play. We played 2.5 games, and in the second one, we defeated some pretty strong opponents, and I must say, they already had the victory in their grasp when they reached the third stage. But that's not the point. The point is that I would give these two guys a hundred saves, because I have a good, friendly relationship with both of them, based on mutual interest and reliability. But you, as I see it, are not interested in anything. Because abandoning a game without backing up the saves is just ridiculous. There's a referee here, and he has his rules; let him do as he sees fit. I'm tired of these kinds of outbursts. I will be content with playing with a small circle of people, especially since I can't play well due to my life circumstances; I have as little free time now as I did a year ago. And if I find the time, it takes a lot of effort, because my work is my bread and butter, and the time I spend working is also my leisure. And it's definitely not in my best interest to neglect that for a game of Heroes. However, out of respect for my opponents, I did it, or rather, I tried to, because not always, again due to the same life circumstances, I succeeded. Therefore, from now on, I will only play 2x2 for fun, because I can't know if I will be free in an hour or not. Fortunately, it hasn't happened that I had to leave a game. But it could easily have happened. So, guys, good luck to you, all the best, but please try not to do that again. I'm specifically talking about Satyr leaving (I'll quote Valenok, slightly paraphrasing: if you can't play within the time frame, don't sign up for a team tournament), and Valenok's spectacular move of deleting the game saves.

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I was really moved by the sweet story about the lack of free time. Should I start telling you about my own difficulties with finding free time? Or should I remind you how late it was when we were playing, so it's convenient for you?
And yes, by the way, don't tell me how to behave, and I won't tell you where to go.

Today is the last day; I’m waiting for the passwords and save files.

Konstantin, please update the first post – number of players, bracket, and tournament stage. I see the number "16 participants" in the statistics, and it's been there since May 19th.

Konstantin, please update the first post – number of players, bracket, tournament stage. I have the number "16 participants" displayed in the statistics since May 19th.

I wouldn't mind.

Chaos League vs Two Boots of Torture
BISHOP(blue, Citadel, Gretchin, Gretchin) + =Stinger=(green, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) def Satyr(red, Necropolis, Clavius, Clavius) + BA/IEHOK(gray, Rampart, Mephala, Mephala) Teamwork 111
In an extremely tough and crazy game, we still managed to snatch victory from bloodthirsty hands by a miracle. Thanks everyone for the game!

Pit for LM (red, Rampart, Ivor, Fiona) + Gomunguls (blue, Inferno, Nimus, Andra) def BISHOP (blue, Stronghold, Gretchen, Gundula) + =Stinger= (green, Castle, Caitlin, Caitlin), teamwork, 123.
An epic and very interesting game it turned out to be! True, due to terrible connection issues, it got stretched out over a long 4 restarts…
We took the restarts. It ended up being quite even. We had slightly more angels from the conservatories, and they were positioned a bit more conveniently, but there was no external market and the castle only came on 113, which made setting up archers extremely difficult.
On 111, I had 2 conservatories and an external dwelling of elves near my castle, as well as a Spirit of Oppression. On the lava, there was also a conservatory right near the castle, but the road was blocked – 50+ marksmen behind a Pandora's Box. We broke through in the end excellently, gave the magogs. Also, necromancers arrived and started raising skeletons.
On 112, I revealed the central lookout point. There is a castle. Found another conservatory near me. The Dragon Fly Hive is quite far away. 59 magogs are a force, and Nimus gets Earth Magic! Slow is available. All that's left is to level up, and we can break any conservatories.
On 113, I take the castle and start building angels. Behind the horde of magogs, I pulled an excellent Fiona from a prison – level 10, Logistics, Attack, Pathfinding, Archery. I moved her to the Pandora's Box. There are two more conservatories on the lava!
114 – in the Pandora's Box are 25 griffins. Checked one of my conservatories – it's a minimum. I will take it. Found Shackles of War. Nimus replenishes mana, getting ready to hit the conservatory. This is where we restarted for the first time. Everything seems very rosy.
115 – I take an angel. I give troops to my ally – another +3.
On 116, I'm just reconfiguring my route chains. The brown players grab another two conservatories on the lava, there are 3+1. The army is coming to my respawn, another +2 angels, and we plundered a couple of Naga Banks.
On 117, I take the last conservatory, it's a minimum. Built and bought angels – 12 total. I exit from full speed into the center through a weak Guardian Object of unicorns. Reconnaissance towards the opponent showed the presence of a Tome of Air Magic. Had to take it. Next – Dragon Utopias. I see the green players speeding towards the Guardian Object. Here, I think, we played incorrectly. We should have, of course, pushed Turis with support; perhaps that would have given another day of unpunished looting of the center. I would have taken one Dragon Utopia regardless, but I didn't do anything else.
In short, we left the Guardian Object of crystal dragons to the opponent, I lack the movement points to pick up the Titan's Cuirass almost on the road, all I do is take the Dragon Utopia. They give from one side, not bad – Charm of Mana, Tome of Fire Magic, Ring of Speed. But nothing for primary stats, which is sad. And in the center, there were two more Dragon Utopias. And all not far from the road.
The green player on their turn, as expected, destroys the Guardian Object and attacks. There are 9 archers. Sad. They immediately engage the angel stack, minus 5. One archer dies from retaliation, I also take out the roc birds and a couple of Fanatics. And there are also 18 wyverns. The Titan's Cuirass is lost, one of the Dragon Utopias also fell, Turis became very dangerous – 22-16-6-11. We of course have control and magic, but we have no primary stats at all. There is literally no one to cast Dimension Door. And significantly fewer troops.
On 121, I ran along the other path to the center. There are Wings of the Netherworld for 40+ Scorpicores. I fought the battle poorly, lost the archer stack, lost an angel. On this most sorrowful note, we restarted for the second time. Except that a prison seen behind the horde of Master Genies gave some faint hope…
After the resumption during Vitaly's turn, a miracle happened. Firstly, in the fog behind the central castle, a conservatory was discovered which gave 3 angels. Nearby – Boots of Speed. We didn't have enough movement points to take them, though. Next, the prison is captured, and inside… Andra level 30, infinite mana, Earth Magic, Armorer, 13th spell without artifacts, Sorcery. It's clear that Turis is sitting in the central town, no mana, because a Tavern was being built, which means this is almost a victory (if there's no Sphere of Negation or Cloak of the Undead King). Besides, we had a whopping 250 skeletons in our stash, and we also took a Hive for 6 wyverns, as minor gains, so we have enough troops. Dimension Door, Turis is indeed in the castle and without mana, moreover, the wyvern stack was lost in a Dragon Utopia, and there are very few of them left, the archer remained there too, but the clever Artyom backed off, scared of something unclear. There was something to be afraid of, it turns out. The archers take out another 4 of our angels, and immediately comes a buyback. We have 6 left, but at least the day in the center will be ours. Eh, too bad we didn't capture the Shackles of War back…
The green player on their turn tries to return to the center, but doesn't reach the Dragon Utopia.
On 122, I conduct reconnaissance of the enemy territory, placing my heroes haphazardly. Well, I didn't plan anything, but it turned out great. Upgrade the angels. Here we restarted again. The situation is promising, but it's too early to think about victory.
The blue player's 122 passed without events, and Vitaly made a second mega-turn. We take the Dragon Utopia right from under the nose of the green player's Ayden. They give multiple sets – Sword +5 all stats, Sandals +2 all stats, Sentinel's Shield. Andra is defeated. The previously dismissed Tant enters and immediately raises a hundred skeletons. A Hive for 8 wyverns. Sword of the Titan, transferring troops home, a Hive for 6. Upgrade 6 angels.
The green player gives troops to Caitlin and comes to finish us off.
On 123, I pull off a mega-turn. First, I captured the Shackles of War. Then it turned out that I had accidentally built an excellent route chain to Fiona, standing in the middle of the treasure zone next to the last unclaimed Dragon Utopia. Along the way, I get 20k gold from a Pandora's Box. I enter the Dragon Utopia – a triple with another set, namely the Helm +6 all stats and the Sphere of Negation. On the last movement point, I reach the central Conflux. I kill Turis. Next, I dismiss my best heroes in the hope of digging them up in the tavern. No one came, however. The best I managed to get for about 30k was Mullich level 1. Fine, he'll do. With artifacts, he became 13-28 and good morale. In the army – 6 archers, 20 wyverns, 250 skeletons, and +5 (!) speed, morale and luck +2 each. Caitlin is only 12-8, 8+1 archers, 5 wyverns, 1 Firebird, and 3 small stacks of Fanatics. With such an advantage in stats, obviously, there's no chance. The Sphere of Negation prevents casting, and the Shackles of War prevent fleeing. And so, this is a victory!
Thank you all for the game!