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I think it's pointless to look for what existed at the very beginning. There will always be something that existed before. And the same applies to gods; clearly, something existed before them. Perhaps that very large explosion from which the gods emerged. And before the explosion, there was a turtle that laid an egg, which then exploded. And so on, ad infinitum. As for sects, let there be as many as you like. If a person sincerely believes, does it really matter how they do it? And if they don't believe, then there's no difference in who they don't believe in: Zeus, Christ, Yahweh.

I believe that everyone has the right to practice any religion or be an atheist (ugh, it sounds a bit legalistic). It's just that some people haven't encountered what is called divine power or a miracle, to put it simply, and that's why they don't believe in anything like that. As for the current situation with different denominations, it's a bad situation; everything is getting mixed up, and you don't know what to believe anymore. More often, you encounter not true believers, but fanatical people who blindly perform certain rituals. And these organizations are on the rise again, like the Freemasons or the Illuminati – in short, it's a plague!

The merging of elements from different religions is not such a bad process. Read Dune; it offers a very interesting perspective on the religion of the future – ecumenism. That's where everything is heading. The problem is that the path will be bloody.

Ecumenism already exists, but it is not a religion; rather, it is an interfaith principle of praying for solutions to universal human problems, essentially a political act. However, each religion firmly continues to adhere to its own state-religious-ethnic positions. Humanity has always been and will continue to be ruled by political myths, regardless of their nature – religious or universal. There have always been and will always be states that benefit from controlling the masses through these myths. It is impossible to impose one political myth on a people in place of another; this is very dangerous and leads to unrest (history clearly demonstrates this). Therefore, it is in the state's interest to support long-standing myths that also have established support within a specific ethnic group.

...God lives in each of us, regardless of our religion!!!
Religion... few people observe it as it should be observed, not everyone
follows the writings of sacred books...

*In my opinion, it's pointless to search for something that existed at the beginning of everything.*

Why search for something if it already exists?
Where is it written about the beginning of beginnings?
Why can't something exist forever?
Can the human mind understand infinity? Imagine it?

*If a person sincerely believes, does it really matter how they do it? And if they don't believe, then there's no difference in who they don't believe in: Zeus, Christ, Yahweh.*

A good foundation for a new religion of fascists. Believe in whatever you want, do whatever you want...
Who said that murder is evil?
Sincerely believe that by killing, you will become stronger.

The Big Bang. Does that remind you of anything? Somewhere in fairy tales, I read that we all came from a point where all the mass of the Universe was concentrated (Do you believe that the Universe has always existed? Do you allow for the possibility that something can always exist? This is elementary logic). This magical point exploded, and then all the systems, contrary to all the laws of physics (I forgot its name. In simple terms, if something is exploded or spun in one direction, then later the particles of that something will spin in the same direction), began to "spin" in different directions!!!
Does anyone know that our Galaxy, like everything else, spins in a spiral?
Does anyone know that the spiral narrows?
Does anyone know that it only takes 2 million years for the spiral to curl into a ball! What billions are we talking about?
Does anyone know the second law of thermodynamics? Something like: "Everything tends towards chaos. Nothing is created from nothing."

So, you're saying: turtles > eggs > Big Bang > Us > No longer us > Another explosion and again turtles? This is simply impossible.

Tell me, if you noticed a gun on the sand, what would you think?
Remember your words: it doesn't matter what you believe in? Would it be reasonable to assume that
1) the gun has always been here?
2) the gun formed as a result of random molecular interactions?
3) or maybe such an object has an INTELLIGENT creator?

Do you know the structure of a living cell? Do you know that it is more complex than any city on Planet Earth??? There is everything there, transport, housing, warehouses, energy supply, communication with other cities?

Saruman, is the Absolute intelligent? What does the word intelligent imply? Not intelligent? Then it is indeed a good argument for why the Absolute would create anything.

Everything was created by chance? The odds are 1/google to the power of google.
Against: Logic + Second Law of Thermodynamics.

I apologize, I sometimes stray from the topic, following my own thoughts, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Berserker! :) I don't know about the two million years and being compressed into a ball; there's a theory that the galaxy is actually expanding, but everything else is what I wanted to say, but couldn't because of my lack of education!:o Thank you! :) I respect that!:smile20:

Regarding the Bible, the idea that it couldn't be altered came to mind because of the Inquisition. But couldn't the inquisitors have altered it? After all, there were many corrupt Popes who kept harems and were greedy for power and wealth. Berserk, hello! I'll try to explain my idea about the Absolute again, especially since some other participants (Knight, AlexeyPunk) support this theory. The Absolute is a flow of energy. Lightning strikes not because it's intelligent, but because it's made of electricity. The universe cannot tolerate stagnation. From pure flows of energy, objects (planets, suns, wow-vacuum) could have arisen. But once these objects appeared in the Absolute, they couldn't help but change it. Thus, the universe as we know it came into being. You see the Absolute as a god, but originally it was a collection of energy, not intelligent, but that doesn't negate the fact that it could create new entities. The intelligence of the Absolute, or rather, some of its manifestations (gods), appeared later, with its change. Love... Novizard, you're sleeping in class again! You ignored the argument about trials. After all, every unhappy lover dreams of sublime pleasure with their beloved. What you described is a trial... And you're still equating pleasure and enjoyment. Of course, I'm not talking about masochism, but remember the same sweet sadness or the paradise that the Herald described for himself.

Saruman, what do you prefer more – to indulge in melancholy or spend time with your beloved girlfriend?:)

Regarding the absolute. Explain it to me in more detail, as I'm a bit slow: here are energy flows, here the universe was created... But why all of a sudden? Especially considering that the absolute doesn't possess intelligence.

Regarding the Bible – where did you find a passage that allows for "keeping" harems and so on? And when did the inquisitors have harems?:) Don't confuse Islam with Christianity.

Saruman, what do you prefer more – to indulge in light melancholy or spend time with your beloved? - you ask! I imagined myself indulging in light melancholy. How awful!

Regarding the absolute – the wind doesn't have a mind, but it can create a hurricane...

The Bible doesn't mention permissions, but that doesn't mean they didn't exist (harems, unofficially of course, I mean that the Inquisition was a very corrupt organization) and they could have changed some points...

1. Exactly.:)

2. Wind is a very dependent phenomenon. Here I sit quietly, and there is no wind. But if I wave my hand *makes a large sweeping gesture*, then there is wind. The wind doesn't arise on its own; everything in the world is interconnected. This is further proof of how detailed and ingeniously the world is designed. A ball lightning cannot SET FIRE to a house on its own, but if you gently blow in the right direction... And it's not the wind that creates a hurricane, but colliding air currents that initially simply fly in their own direction, and upon collision, they swirl and a hurricane is formed.
Matter that does not possess intelligence is not capable of creating. To be convinced of this, just look at a butterfly's wing.

3. Honestly, I don't know what laws the Catholics have. Initially, there was a single Christian church, and then disputes began about the content of the creed. Some said that it should include a mention of the Virgin Mary as the mother of Christ. Eventually, the church split. Those who separated became known as Catholics, and the rest became known as Orthodox. So, I'm not particularly surprised that the Catholics changed something else. This has never happened in Orthodoxy.

Greetings, Saruman. You cited the wind as an example. The wind DOES NOT CREATE a hurricane.
Is a Hurricane a conscious creation? Is it alone that possesses such a dreadfully complex structure and life? A hurricane is destruction. I confirm that everything leans toward Chaos. Place any object down and leave it. In a thousand years, it will crumble, rather than mysteriously transform into something better—a machine gun will not become a pistol! There is Energy. Suddenly, a universe appears. So be it. What comes next? Do other universes and forms appear? For energy controls nothing!!! Why then did it not destroy everything? To believe in energy, dear Saruman, is equivalent to believing that the wind can build a house! And yet it can!!! Theoretically, it is capable of moving objects, shaping them; in short, it is a force. I will give you a super-wind and millions of years. But there will be no house. Nothing intelligent will exist.

But what if the Absolute is sentient? What if it is the ABSOLUTE mind? And everything else is just a reflection of this mind? The starting point is also the ending point; it began with Chaos, and it will end with Chaos. And the gods will also return to the Chaos from which they came. And everything will start over, because the ending point is the starting point.
The Hindus were right: life is a wheel.

The Absolute cannot be rational. Reason is a property of man. The Absolute is beyond reason. Human consciousness reflects the Universe (the infinity of a circle or an egg), and this is what falls within the realm of reason, which it can operate with. The Absolute, as the eternally generating Universe (circle, egg), exists outside of these operands... there are completely different laws, unknown and inaccessible to us...

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? If we apply this theory to the Universe, we can draw a simple conclusion. Something has always existed, which gave rise to the first chicken or the first egg. The logic is simple. Reason and Chaos are extremely incompatible things...