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2Jawdet: Jebus Cross SoD for an offline tournament, imho, is fine. Fun, relatively fast and without tedious rests upon meeting.
you forgot "fair" :D

the desire to argue with Tvaryna vanished after he quite clearly described his position regarding bad daddies, about mm6, about skill everywhere, while simultaneously playing Jebus))) but Kostya, I really don't understand you:(
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Roma, I never said that I consider Jebus to be a skillful build. I just enjoy playing it. It’s pure fun. And fun, in my opinion, should be fully present at offline gatherings. Except for the decisive stages, of course.
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That is exactly why this scheme is needed, so that Jebus Cross has to be played not because the opponent scribbled it, but only in the case of mutual consent ("Consent is a product of the complete non-resistance of the parties" C)
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Roma, I never said that I consider Jebus to be a skillful build. I just enjoy playing it. It's pure fun. And fun, in my opinion, should be present in full at offline gatherings. Except for the decisive stages, of course.
I might be wrong, but usually at such events, there is plenty of fun regardless of the build/version/heroes in general. If all the fun were reduced to what is obtained through the game, few people would attend such gatherings.
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A VT player chooses 2-3 templates that they are comfortable with.
There will be a maximum of 3-5 templates for SoD, so it's either one template or a choice of two.
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With this approach, I think there will be a lack of variety in the templates.
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That's exactly why such a scheme is needed, so that Jebus has to be played not because the opponent scribbled it, but only in case of mutual consent ("Consent is the product of total non-resistance by the parties" C)
Thus the discussion returned to the "to play or not to play XL+U" groove))

By the way, regarding the ban - despite the fact that we are "from the same camp", the dude indeed sharply and immediately started pouring garbage on everyone. Maybe deservedly so.
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No matter what scheme is used, there will always be a certain monotony in the templates. I can bet that in a face-to-face encounter, a swordsman and a spearman won't use either Mirror Image or Slow. Although Slow might be used. But in this case, again, it's easier for the spearman to choose Slow right away. This saves time and nerves.
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Everyone says: Jebus Cross isn't very suitable for identifying the objectively best player, and so on, but is SMKA supposedly fine? The most extreme, unplayable, imbalanced, and a bunch of other unflattering epithets I've encountered were precisely in SMKA; Jebus Cross also had plenty of awful things, but somehow to a much lesser extent.
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Thus the discussion returned to the groove of "to play or not to play XL+U"))
XLs, if you think about it, are not really that many. 6lm and 8xm are clearly not tailored for SoD, Spider ends when opponents completely eat up the map, which is not rational for such an event, only mm6 remains. But there are decent templates on M-sized maps - Diamond, Mininosta, the same CMK is imo better than Jebus Cross. Add to this 2 mirror matchups, and a pretty decent list starts to form.
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If there's a "jebus" scheme, we need to include panic/balance templates for the Warlock. Let them add some more garbage to it :smile51:
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On HeroesWorld, no overabundance of Jebus Cross has been observed; popularity is distributed across a dozen templates.
For example, here is how favorite templates were chosen in the Crusaders:

For comparison, 152 people played on HeroesWorld in the fall (see the rating), while 43 participated in the Crusaders qualifier — so the sample is representative. I think if we make a similar table for all games in different seasons, Jebus Cross's share will fluctuate between 15 and 20% — that's not a monopoly or even a controlling stake in the template market :D SM-ka is also still popular, 8mm6a holds its ground, templates from Wic (Anarchy and Diamond) are always in demand, and of course the three M-200 templates together yield a decent result.
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Spider ends when opponents completely consume the map, which is not rational for such an event, leaving only Heroes of Might and Magic VI.
Subjectively, it seemed to me that the game on Spider inevitably ends at the end of the 2nd, beginning of the 3rd.
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Subjectively, it seemed to me that the game inevitably ends on Spider around the end of week 2, beginning of week 3.
Nope. If there's no arrow on week 2, which is quite rare, the explored resources are usually exploited after week 1 of the expansion. Then, of course, it moves to the Treasury. The template is very good, but not for LANs.
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On HeroesWorld, no dominance of Jebus has been observed; popularity is distributed across a dozen templates.
For example, here is how favorite templates were chosen in the Crusaders:
The selection from the Crusade is not particularly representative, as choices there are often made based on "I want to play this one." This may differ from "what is actually played."

Therefore, one should look at the season statistics, ideally excluding tournament games (where the template is set by the host or scratched out). I haven't counted exactly, but from feel, Jebus and SM together account for more than half of the games.
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