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Actually, I don't understand why anyone would try to be evasive. Even if you genuinely believe you did the right thing, it's easier to admit it and put the matter to rest. Otherwise, you'll only stir up a storm of indignation.
Where did I try to be evasive? I told Pete everything honestly, as it happened.
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Where exactly did I lie? I told Pete everything honestly, as it happened. Where is anything about streams mentioned? Using the same logic, you could attribute anything here.
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There seem to be a lot of moderators on the forums lately. Who is so generous with handing out moderator privileges? I'll reserve one set.
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Our entire "last heroes" Community is built on trust and a fundamentally honest and respectful attitude towards each other. Streams, even from players who aren't particularly skilled, help us attract new people – people who previously only watched streams of Amilu Calababa, and lately, more and more during prime time. These are people who want to play and are genuinely interested in playing Heroes, not League of Legends or other games. They are important to us because one of them might become a new ATG, Gomungulus, or a Z, who will want to create their own championship and participate in and care about the development of a project they enjoy. And once again, all of this is based on a respectful and honest attitude. Complaining after watching a stream, saying things like "I was given my turn too quickly," is, in my opinion, nonsense. Either play the entire match in one day, or don't play at all. Such moments can negate all the progress we've made in the last couple of years. People will simply stop streaming, and only share their replays with their friends, whom they trust. This is bad, again, in my opinion.
Conclusion: Punish severely, as an example. In case of any recurrence, do the same. And again, in my opinion...
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There are too many moderators on the forums. Who is so generous with moderator privileges? I'll book one set.
This is a paid option, depending on the service package you have.
From $49.99/month :D

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Our entire "last Heroes" Community is based on trust and an inherently honest and respectful attitude towards each other. Streams, even from players who aren't particularly skilled, help us attract people – people who previously only watched Amilu Calababa's streams, and now, increasingly, prime-time streamers. These are people who want to play and are interested in playing Heroes, not League of Legends or other games. They are important to us because one of them might become a new ATG, Goomungulus, or a new player who wants to create their own championship and participate in and care about the development of a project they like. And once again, all of this is based on a respectful and honest attitude. To watch a streamer and then complain that you were given your turn quickly, etc., is, in my opinion, nonsense. If that's the case, either play the entire game in one sitting or don't play at all. Such moments can negate all the progress we've made in the last couple of years. People will simply stop streaming, and only share their games with their friends, whom they trust. That's bad, again, in my opinion.
Conclusion: punish severely, as a cautionary example. In case of any recurrence of such behavior, do the same. And again, in my opinion...
Yeah, a public shaming is definitely a good idea. But, in principle, our people confirm the thesis: if a neighbor's cow dies, it's a good thing. And no one cares if you steal 50 rubles or a couple of million, watch the entire stream or just 10 seconds of it; the main thing is to punish.

And how can you force someone to play all day? I was willing to do that; I don't like dragging out games into 2 or even 3 sessions. But here, we played in 5 sessions. And in every session, there was such disrespect.

Okay, from the Community's opinion, I understand that they consider dirty tactics, such as dragging out the game, passing the turn after saving, etc., to be acceptable and not punishable. I will take this opinion into account, although I am encountering this for the first time. Okay, those who want to consider me a repeat offender and a gross violator, let them. It's their right. Although, of all those who expressed their opinion, I only played with Yurist; the rest are just vultures. And, in principle, only Yurist has the right to change his opinion about me and my game; the others simply don't have that right because they haven't played with me.

And to Yurist, I'll say: if you want to change your opinion, go ahead, but you saw the situation; you have to be skilled to mess it up like that.
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Conclusion: punish severely – as an example – and in case of any recurrence, do the same. This is just my opinion...
I agree!
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I agree!
Dude, I respect you for not demanding a technical win for a minor infraction, but I have a different opinion about Slaizer, and not just about him; it immediately brought back old posts. But what's there to talk about... the final game was completely without losses, but the guy found something to complain about, even though it didn't affect the outcome of the game at all. Everyone knows the mininoast template; you can watch it until the second month, and it won't change anything. On turn 212, I came with an army that was impossible to counter and had stats twice as high. Seeing this, he ran to complain. Well, yeah... I got 30 gold for 10 seconds of streaming, jackpot. Okay, "all are D'Artagnans, and I'm a..." let it be. If you think his behavior is worthy, that's your opinion.
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by the way, what prevents addressing the issue of streams and broadcasts at the legislative level? It seems to have been discussed and raised so many times... A question for the ace of spades.

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Besides, what satisfaction is there in a victory achieved in this way, and is it worth anything to such winners?
P/S/ Let's ask Slaizer if he enjoyed such a victory.
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It doesn't seem like April Fool's Day (even though New Year's is approaching), but the jokes are getting out of hand.

Something is infecting the Heroes community lately; people are losing respect for their opponents... what's next? (If you don't want to play with a certain player, just don't play with them; resolve the issue through third parties. The process should be enjoyable, not filled with negativity and everything else.)

Happy New Year, Heroes fans!
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Vatya
Although I've only played with Yurist among all those who commented, the rest are just vultures. And, in principle, only Yurist has the right to change his opinion about me and my gameplay; the others simply don't, as they haven't played with me.

And to Yurist, I'll say: if you want to change your mind, go ahead, but you yourself saw the situation; you have to be quite skilled to mess it up like that.
What bothered me wasn't the fact that you watched the stream, but that you consider it the right thing to do and are trying to justify it by referring to the rules. If you were unhappy that the opponent passed his turn immediately, you should have told him. But watching his stream is a clear mistake, which violates the rules of fair play. If you had simply apologized, admitted your guilt, and agreed with the tech support, as Diabler did in his time, I'm sure the matter wouldn't have gone any further, and no one would have even mentioned the blacklist. I myself have enough past and present actions (including in the Heroes world) that I'm not proud of, and it seems to me that taking responsibility for your actions and admitting that you were wrong in such a situation is the only right thing to do.
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What bothered me wasn't the fact that you watched the stream, but that you thought it was the right thing to do and tried to justify it with the rules. If you didn't like that your opponent passed his turn immediately, you should have told him. Watching his stream is a clear mistake and a violation of fair play. If you had simply apologized, admitted your guilt, and agreed with the tech support, like Diabler did in his time, I'm sure the matter wouldn't have gone any further, and no one would have even mentioned the blacklist. I myself have made enough mistakes in the past and present (including in the Heroes world) that I'm not proud of, and it seems to me that taking responsibility for your actions and admitting that you were wrong in such a situation is the only right thing to do.
I wouldn't have even spoken up if it weren't for one thing. The 10-second difference, when it didn't matter, and watching from the 121st turn are still significant, and I'm getting the same "reward." It's all the same whether you steal a million or a loaf of bread; I don't understand this approach. And where do I think watching streams is the right thing to do? I also condemn it, but why aren't there any penalties for more serious violations, such as deliberately prolonging the game, or the dirty tricks that Slaizer did? I consider myself guilty, but I consider my opponent even more guilty. But in the end, I'm a repeat offender, and he's innocent.
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I logged in for 10 seconds and ended up staying for at least 20 minutes. And, of course, by sheer luck, they decided to check the chat during that time. Well, bad luck, it happens.
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But what exactly did I violate according to the rules? Morally wrong, yes, but I don't consider myself guilty because I wasn't the one who started it; I was just responding to negativity with negativity. Yes, Pete was right, this isn't fun; you have to play with whoever you get. I'm encountering this kind of attitude for the first time. Anyway, I think that's all; you decide. And finally, my opinion.

This is a blatant violation of the rules, also known as MAPHACK, and it results in a black mark. Your problem with changing turns is just a minor issue that can be easily resolved. With this understanding of the situation and the feeling of being innocent, plus the attempt to lie, I would ban you in AK's place. What you consider "dragging out the game" as a sneaky underhanded tactic is worse than watching streams; it's just a joke, OMG. If you hadn't watched the stream, according to your words, you would have just surrendered, meaning the game would have ended anyway, so why do you think he won unfairly?!