[МАТЧ] AlexTheGreat vs Gomunguls — Tournament History

Dark

12 years ago

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Well, I'll have my say too. The fact that Alex is playing for a reward, and that reward is money, is perfectly fine and completely reasonable. However, the opponent is also a well-known player, and a victory over him should bring any "Heroes" player not only monetary satisfaction but also moral satisfaction (especially considering the challenge from this player). Let's get back to the point (or rather, the money)... Vitaly issued a direct challenge, but unfortunately, as far as I understand, Alex didn't see this challenge, so it's unfair to judge him. But if he really responded through other people, saying that the amount of money Vitaly offered is not enough, and at the same time didn't name or announce the amount he would be willing to play for, then this starts to look like making excuses. By the way, I had a similar situation in my life. A now well-known billiards player in Russia, about 4 or even 5 years ago, in a conversation with me, came to the conclusion that he was ready to play a game against me, giving me a handicap of 7 balls (meaning I would have to pocket 1 ball, and he would have to pocket 8). And of course, he named the stakes: he said, "LET'S PLAY FOR YOUR BMW." The funny thing is, he got a positive answer, which was something like, "Here are the keys to my BMW, I'm putting them on the line, where are your keys?!" As a result, the game didn't happen, and again, there's a big difference between him and me... The conclusion is simple: there's no need to show off, because showing off will always remain showing off, and the truth will always be different. I sincerely hope that this spectacular battle will take place in the near future!!! P.S. to Wicc Vitaly announced the prize money, Alex disagrees and doesn't name the exact amount he's willing to play for! But what if, for example, Alex says 1 thousand dollars, and Vitaly, pulling 10 million rubles out of his pocket, says that he's only willing to play for 10 million, and if Alex doesn't have that much, he can go away?! (because that's absurd!) A direct challenge was issued (I would even take it as an insult if I were Alex), and there's no answer, or there's an answer through other people, what does that mean?! Either the person doesn't know about the challenge, or he knows and starts making excuses

numOne

12 years ago

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to Wicc. Yes, I understand all of that. I would also enjoy watching them play (if they do). But you missed my main point – how to ensure fair play? And also, you didn't mention that the message of the match isn't very noble. One of them allowed himself to say too much in conversation. Then the other made a remark. That is, there was initially animosity between the players. Then, essentially, Gomunguls was pressured with "put your money where your mouth is or are you chicken." Naturally, it's not very manly to back down from that. And also, the fact that you are still talking about Alex indirectly, and he hasn't even commented once. If a similar dispute arose not within the context of Heroes, but, for example, in Quake 3, then they would immediately sit down and play the required matches. Without any preparation. There's no way to cheat, everything is as fair and clear as possible. But we have Heroes. With a two-sided stream. When money and the championship title are at stake... Well, I don't know. The temptation is too great, as is Alex himself...

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Wicc

12 years ago

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numOne

But you missed my main point – how to ensure fair play?

That's the direction we should be thinking in...

And the nobility of the message for a game with real money stakes isn't particularly important, in my opinion.

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=Lizard=

12 years ago

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I'll donate 1000 Russian rubles to the PF (I still have some left in my wallet from Novosibirsk). p.s. Alex is the champion of everything, but not Lizard's apartment!!! In that mini-tournament, I beat him in the final (which was finished online) 2-1!:p :p :p So, Vic, be careful when creating announcements;)!

Gomunguls

12 years ago

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Currently, in Heroes, the unofficial best player is considered to be Alex - based on the overall results, quality of play, and so on. Imho, quite justified. And that's exactly why matches like this are needed - so that players who feel up to it can try to take the title from the reigning champion in a direct confrontation.

You're wrong, at the moment the official best player is considered to be Maretti, and for good reason! Anders plays very well!
As for how I interact with Alex, I think he has earned it himself. He plays well - that's a fact, but the humiliation of people is starting to get very annoying... This topic arose from the fact that I called him a whiner)) well, then I was told to "put my money where my mouth is")) and it all started to develop from there... He got that nickname from our last conversation, when the HL tournament final was being played and when Alex whined the whole game and prevented Egor from playing normally... Also, back when I and other players came to the forum and were newcomers... I noticed how condescendingly he speaks to everyone from on high, and even in our game together he once said - I'm not Ayman, I won't make a mistake... I kept quiet, those words stuck with me... Later, Ayman played a game with Alex... and what was the result? Ayman beat Alex with an advantage and he started whining, just terribly whining... and said))) let's replay the fight, I just FORGOT to change the necessary artifacts... and then Ayman agreed and the fight was replayed, but out of nervousness Ayman said he forgot to put on one artifact and asked to replay... but Alex told him you'll win anyway... in the end, Ayman won again!!! I remember that game, awesome!!! so THAT whining is your champion??? this wimp??.... later in the VT chat you all understand how things went discussing that game).... and in every game where he had bad luck there was terrible whining... so I have every right to call him a whiner...

Well, as for fair play, everyone remembers that good guy Cobra who dropped by.... + in our game with Alex, he told me, don't break your Griffin Conservatory, I didn't break mine when I moved on you)) and I was standing by the Conservatory and he couldn't possibly see it... so my distrust grew even more later after Cobra dropping by... and these aren't isolated incidents...

As for the chances of winning, it's all guesswork from the majority... 40 to 60 or 30 to 70...))) nevertheless, I'll repeat, I was a NEWCOMER and I beat Alex.... let it be one win out of 8-9 games, but that was 3 years ago, by the way Alex whined then so I wouldn't write the report))).... so I think it's worth closing this topic... let Alex continue to hide behind numbers...

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AlexTheGreat

12 years ago

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Just yesterday, I received an offer from Vik to play against the aforementioned player, Vitaly, to prove who has more "manliness" in Heroes 3. I don't quite understand why this "so-called challenge" is addressed to someone who stopped playing this wonderful game about 3 months ago... In my opinion, there are about 10 people playing at my level in SoD and another 20 in WoG, so all this high-flown talk about some kind of rivalry for the crown and the like seems simply ridiculous to me... I stopped playing precisely because I no longer consider myself the strongest and cannot win as consistently as before, winning 90% of games; I guess I've lost my edge... By the way, I'll remind you that in my last SoD tournament, even with corrupted saves, I didn't lose a single game, just as I didn't in both offline tournaments. But, apparently, the motivation is already lost, and I no longer have the strength or desire to maintain my level... P.s. Some time ago, while playing with Vitaly's friend, having a terrible starting position, in the middle of the game, I offered my opponent a draw. At one point, I realized that the odds had shifted from 10% to 90% in my favor to 40% to 60%. Of course, this was my subjective opinion, but it was sincerely felt that way... Since I understood that we would have to play for another 2-3 weeks, and we had already played for 5, I wanted to quit this game; I was tired of it! In response, I received a very harsh reply that I had no chance and that no draw would be offered. Well, I tried to convince the person with 1-2 more comments, but I wasn't heard. Suddenly, out of nowhere, a player named Gomunguls wrote to me something like: "stop talking, you bitch, you'll get wrecked without asking, don't waste your opponent's time, act like a man, you have no chance, and so on..." As everyone remembers, this game with corrupted saves was won by me, and only because the opponent simply didn't have as much experience playing such large maps! I didn't show anything special myself; I just played to my full potential. I don't understand why a person who wins Heroes tournaments, supposedly understands the game, first, cannot adequately and objectively assess the balance of power, seeing streams from both sides (they were provided), and second, cannot express his subjective opinion correctly and adequately, without insulting a stranger who has not made a single disrespectful comment about him... Therefore, I do not want to have any interactions with this person, because he does not respect himself first of all, and there is no need to talk about others! P.p.s. Money is currently as little of an incentive for me as proving anything in Heroes. I consistently make my 6-7K dollars a month in poker, but I also enjoy the game! Since communicating or any other interaction with the player Gomunguls will not bring me any pleasure, no amount of money will entice me to this event! Thank you for your attention!

Dark

12 years ago

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well, it's become clear now. I think it's not that your skill level has dropped, but that the skill level of other players has increased, just like in poker, basically. If before there were mostly weak players, especially online, now there are only hardcore players. By the way, I'm curious, is 6-7k a stable online income?

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Gomunguls

12 years ago

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AlexTheGreat

Just yesterday, I received an offer from Vik to play against the aforementioned player, Vitaly, in order to prove who has more "masculinity" in Heroes 3. I don't quite understand why this "so-called challenge" is addressed to someone who stopped playing this wonderful game about 3 months ago... In my opinion, there are about 10 people playing at my level in SoD and another 20 in Warlords, so all this high-flown talk about some kind of rivalry for the crown and the like seems simply funny to me... I stopped playing precisely because I no longer consider myself the strongest and cannot win as often as before, consistently winning 90% of games; I guess I've lost my edge... By the way, I'll remind you that in my last SoD tournament, even with corrupted saves, I didn't lose a single game, just as I didn't in both offline tournaments. But, apparently, the motivation is already lost, and I no longer have the strength or desire to maintain my level...

P.s. Some time ago, while playing with Vitaly's friend, having a terrible starting position, in the middle of the game, I offered my opponent a draw. At one point, I really saw that the odds, which were 10% in my favor, changed to 40% in my favor and 60% against me. Of course, this was my subjective opinion, but it was sincere... Since I understood that we would have to play for another 2-3 weeks, and we had already played for 5, I wanted to quit this game; I was tired of it! In response, I received a very harsh answer that I had no chance and that I would not be offered a draw. Well, I tried to convince the person with 1-2 more comments, but I was not heard. Suddenly, out of nowhere, a player named Gomunguls wrote to me something like: "stop talking like a girl, you'll get wrecked without asking, don't waste the opponent's time, act like a man, you have no chance, and so on..." As everyone remembers, I won that game with corrupted saves, and only because the opponent simply didn't have as much experience playing such large maps! I didn't do anything special; I just played to the best of my ability... I don't understand why a person who wins Heroes tournaments, supposedly understands the game, first, cannot adequately and objectively assess the balance of power, seeing streams from both sides (they were provided), and second, cannot express his subjective opinion correctly and adequately, without insulting a person who has not made a single disrespectful comment about him... Therefore, I do not want to have any interactions with this person, because he does not respect himself first of all, and there is no need to talk about others!

P.p.s. Money is currently as little of an incentive for me as proving anything in Heroes. I consistently make my 6-7K dollars a month in poker, but I also enjoy the game! Since communicating or having any other interaction with the player Gomunguls will not bring me any pleasure, no amount of money will entice me to this event! Thank you for your attention!

You've become so kind, haven't you? You're trying to impress the public... You snatched that victory from Yegor with your distractions during the opponent's turn... is that ethical in your opinion? You play normally, but when it's the opponent's turn, you start whining to him in the chat... that's great.

Gomunguls writes to me something like: "stop talking like a girl, you'll get wrecked without asking, don't waste the opponent's time, act like a man, you have no chance, and so on..."

It was said differently, but the meaning was the same: stop whining like a girl.

Okay, everyone understands that Alex has lost his edge... goodbye to everyone and thank you for your understanding.

Сатир

12 years ago

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Well, Gomunguls finally snapped. The guy harbored some resentment, kept it bottled up for a long time, and it all came out.
If I were Atg, I wouldn't give you a chance, just to prevent you from fulfilling your ambitions.

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=Lizard=

12 years ago

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Understanding that you have your own concepts, opinions, and rating systems here, I still can't help but chime in.

How can you consider someone (the highly respected Anders) the best Heroes player when he has been grinding noob templates in SoD for years and openly admits he doesn't like XL+U??? And everyone (who is reasonable) knows that on XL+U he is completely out of his depth against a dozen or more serious VT players (I don't know how it is here). It's like considering Pelé the best footballer of all time. In modern football, he would undoubtedly be super-class, but he would never even be nominated for the Ballon d'Or. Nowadays, you need a much broader set of universal skills for that. I think the analogy is clear.

p.s. To truly prove his mega-competence in HoMM3, the highly respected Gomunguls (and other founding fathers of HeroesWorld) needs to come to Minsk in May and take 1st place. IMHO winning an offline event where, with 20+ participants, there is not a single noob is a real indicator of skill. Not all these idiotic online arguments about "could/couldn't see the Griffin Conservatory" and the like.

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Kilgor

12 years ago

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AlexTheGreat

I received a very harsh response, stating that I had no chance and that a draw would not be allowed. Well, I tried to convince the person with 1-2 more replies, but I wasn't heard.

The response I received was roughly this: A draw is meaningless to me; only victory matters. But you were persistent, very persistent, and kept telling me how to write the report in case of your victory :eek:.
P.S. Yes, I lost, yes, the timer got the better of me, and yes, it was too late to realize that in battle, you need to think not only about the battle itself but also "pause" and think about actions on the map (by the way, I noticed this when you didn't flee on the bird for a long time but "paused" and said there was something to think about).

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Gomunguls

12 years ago

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Lizard B

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How can you consider Anders, whom I respect, to be the best player?

I said he **is considered** the best, not that I personally think so. In any case, he won the world championship.

p.s. To really prove his mega-skill in HMMIII, the highly respected Gomunguls (and other Heroes veterans) needs to come to Minsk in May and take 1st place. IMHO, winning an offline tournament with 20+ participants, where there isn't a single newbie, is a real indicator of skill. Not all these idiotic online arguments about "could/couldn't see the consul" and so on.

You should forgive me, but all these CIS and other things... they don't inspire much significance, because not so many people gather there... and not all of them are such famous top players.

The_

12 years ago

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there won't be any cinema (c).

It's like saying that Pele is the best footballer of all time. In modern football, he would certainly be a top-class player, but he would never even be nominated for the Golden Ball. Now, you need to have a much larger set of versatile skills for that.

Come on, that's not necessary. Pele is the best player of the last century; no one nominated him as the best player of all time. We can only guess what would happen if Pele had been born in our era. He's not just a footballer; he's an alien of football, ahead of all the athletes of his time in development, at least by an order of magnitude.