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25.07.13. Pit for LM (blue, Necropolis, Galthran) + Scorpiona (green, Fortress, Tazar) def Satir (red, Stronghold, Crag Hack) + BA/IEHOK (brown, Rampart, Mephala), Jebus, 126.
We took it after a restart. The deal we got was bad, but still better than our opponents'. And we played terribly...
111 - the stable under the castle is pleasing, and Galthran getting logistics at first level. Skeletons - standard, there will be just over 100 after converting gremlins. There's an external dwelling of black knights. But one of the roads is blocked by wizards, little gold - 5 heroes.
In the swamp, things are much cooler - a decent army, a bunch of small external dwellings, two hydra dwellings, two Dragon Fly Hives, a Griffin Conservatory.
112 - took the black knight dwelling, bought two more heroes, sent Galthran to Pandora's Box for the dogs.
In the swamp, 2 more Dragon Fly Hives and a Griffin Conservatory were found. Scouting revealed a wonderful treasure zone - books of earth, fire, Dragon Fly Hives, Pandora's Boxes, stat-boosting artifacts...
113 - I got 10k gold from the Pandora's Box. Running along the only narrow path...
Tatiana collects the army from dwellings and paints the hydra dwelling.
114 - I disband Galthran back home. I want to build black knights and break through the four wizards.
Everything is very crooked in the swamp... Troops get bogged down, gold is insufficient, chains don't come together... Took a Dragon Fly Hive for 6 Wyverns.
115 - broke through the wizards with Luna, took a dwelling of bone dragons.
Green takes a Dragon Fly Hive +4 Wyverns, then another one just like it. Attempt to take the Griffin Conservatory fails - 3-4 won't enter without an army. The army is transferred to Müllich, and the last Dragon Fly Hive also turns out to be minimal. Total - 20 Wyverns. The second Griffin Conservatory turns out to be a two. Tazar has nowhere to level.
116 - however, Galthran also has nothing to do, took the second bone dragon dwelling, Dragon Fly Hive for 6 Wyverns, caught Earth magic. GO - triple set of bone dragons, giants, and titans, the last of which must absolutely be fought. Since there is no necro army, a decision is made to fight into the swamp and war with the swamp-dwellers...
Tatiana builds hydras and takes their second dwelling.
117 - took Vampire's Cowl, 2 angels, mini-Dwarf Cottage.
121 - in total I have 2 angels, 3 hydras and 20 Wyverns, green's growth can only be brought in after a turn, and we can't delay - any moment the book of earth could be taken. I hit the first GO - death knights, I play dumb, lose all the hydras. I hit the second GO - autorun showed a wipe... Minotaurs get a morale right away and take out three Wyverns. I threw in slow, sorted it out, the hundred skeletons hit hard. I attack the behemoths next - good thing I already have expert earth. After the check, 23 remain with GS, tolerable, I fought through somehow, losing all the skeletons and a couple of Wyverns. I take the book, instead of scouting earth and taking the central town, I retreat back to the swamp...
Tazar doesn't reach anywhere and takes the behemoth dwelling :).
122 - opponents don't show. I replenish mana, with a growth of 6 hydras everything goes much more easily. I hit the horde of mighty ogres for the prison - they give a completely fresh hero - a warrior, without a book, Rylund - diplomacy, leadership, archery, wisdom, learning, artillery, resistance, and at least something, logistics. I take a mini-Dragon Fly Hive, the helm +4+4, portal home, grab the necro army, portal to the village near the GO.
That's when brown shows up. Tazar gets killed by Solmyr with Chain Lightning due to +1 speed, a bunch of heroes are hanging around where the KZ was.
Galthran gets built up; he is, in principle, quite ready for battle.
123 - I take the central town, Galthran replenishes mana and portals there. I attack Mephala.
There - many moderately thick stacks, 4 mighty behemoths, 3 angels, 5 green dragons, 60 centaurs, 7 mighty cyclopes, a dozen wyverns, 19 elves. But stats are weak (about 10 each), and no powerful magic.
With Implosion I take out 4 dragons, they kill my angel and surrender.
Then I start goofing off. Lost far too many heroes stupidly, didn't even kill a single unit against Solmyr... Anyway, I attack Solmyr with bone dragons and skeletons, cast Armageddon - one centaur resists due to the unicorn's aura... I get hit by Chain Lightning, lose more skeletons, but Solmyr doesn't risk erasing Mephala and dies. I portal to the castle, and for some reason walk out of it one square, instead of blocking it with some hero and calmly replenishing mana, even without building up. Oh yes, also reclaimed the armor +5 to magic.
The town, naturally, gets taken back and my heroes get built up. No attack follows on Galthran. Tatiana takes the town back and builds up the enemy heroes.
124 - I break through the GO towards green (archangels, they scattered), one of my heroes reaches the scouting spot and lights up the entire respawn. Galthran stands under a Utopia. I stupidly sacrifice Rylund.
Fortunately, Rylund isn't killed, and he goes to the tavern. And Tatiana found a "teapot" in the desert.
125 - I take a great Utopia - book of water, pendant of lightning protection, and sphere of resistance. Portal home, build up calmly and replenish mana, while Serina collects the Griffin Conservatory located very far away - 3 angels. Oh yes, also Charna reclaimed the gloves and a Pandora's Box with 8 behemoths. I set up a chain to take the helm +6 to all stats.
Mephala runs dangerously close to the helm, but Dimension Doors to the wrong place, grabbing a Dragon Fly Hive and boots.
126 - I transfer the army to Rylund, reclaim the helm, attack Mephala. My army is significantly larger, my magic significantly stronger, my stats significantly higher. After an Implosion that removes all 4 mighty behemoths, there is a surrender.
Thank you all for the game!

+12 MSK Dima Surmay (263293484) + Sevan_80 (581706700) are ready to play a fun match, feel free to join.

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25.07.13. Pit for LM (blue, Necropolis, Galtran) + Scorpiona (green, Fortress, Tazar) def Satyr (red, Stronghold, Kreg) + Valenok (brown, Rampart, Mephala), Jebus, 126.
Thank you all for the game!

Artem doesn't seem to be in a hurry to write a report, although he should, since he was the only one playing in our pair :). On my respawn, I had 0 Pandors, 0 Hives, 0 Constructs (okay, okay, there was a small amount in 3+ days from the road), a few Orcs and Goblins, and the best artifact helmet +2 to Knowledge :smile21:. After 114, I only spent time melting resources into crystals and gold on the external market and giving advice :). I accumulated more than an hour of time, sometimes deliberately delaying, so as not to reveal to the opponents the fact that I was simply skipping turns.

Valenok played well, I am happy with him :D In essence, it was decided by, in addition to the fact that it was a 1 vs. 2 game, the Book of Earth that was lying halfway from the Scorpiоna's base and was revealed by scouting from 113-115.

Thank you for your attention and for the game.

P.S. Artem's nickname is written incorrectly.

Updated the table.

SM spell def phoenixes
24.07.2013 Ayauhteotl (red, Fortress, Tazar, Tazar) + Lim4 (purple, Conflux, Ciele, Ciele) def The_ (blue, Citadel, Crag Hack, Sandro) + GUNAR (green, Castle, Valeska, Gretchin) Teamwork, 117
112 We took a town in the General zone - Dungeon. Tazar, with the combined army, should take the Dwarf Cottage and Dragon Fly Hive the next day.
113 The Dragon Fly Hive is too large - army turns around toward Ciele. She runs to another Dragon Fly Hive in the General zone, but movement points are only enough to step on it, not to scout it - army turns around toward Tazar :)
114-116 We reclaim mines, gather Dragon Fly Hives. Shopaholic Tazar bought Speed Boots for 15k on the market. Aya also hinted at a Cap and a Cape, but the family budget still had to build birds and upgrade nearly 50 Wyverns, so no!) Red Dragon external dwelling was found for later portaling.
117 Everything was going well, according to plan; the only thing was Tazar picked up the Ballista skill, he had to buy and ferry it too)) With the external market factored in, there was enough gold for a full buyout on 121. News of surrender arrives.:confused: :confused:
Thanks for the game.

SM spell def phoenixes
24.07.2013 Ayauhteotl(red, Fortress, Tazar, Tazar) + Lim4(cor, Conflux, Ciele, Ciele) def The_(blue, Citadel, Crag Hack, Sandro) + GUNAR(green, Castle, Valeska, Gretchin) Teamwork, 117
112 Took a town in the General zone - Dungeon. Tazar with the combined army should take the Dwarf Cottage and the Dragon Fly Hive the next day.
113 The Dragon Fly Hive is too big - army turns back to Ciele. She runs to another Dragon Fly Hive in the General zone, but only has enough movement to stand on it without checking it - army turns back to Tazar :)
114-116 We capture mines, collect Dragon Fly Hives. Shopaholic Tazar bought Boots of Speed for 15k at the market. Aya also hinted at a Cap and a Cloak, but the family budget still had to build birds and upgrade to nearly 50 Wyverns, so no way!) We found an external dwelling of red dragons for later portaling.
117 Everything was going well, according to plan, the only thing was Tazar picked up the Ballista skill, so we had to buy and deliver that to him as well)) With the external market, we had enough money to buy everything by 121. News of the surrender arrives.:confused: :confused:
Thanks for the game.

Confirmed.
Thanks for the game.

@Sosedi Please leave time and date when you can play.

G2 has no opponents: sad: And it's unclear when they will appear: sad:

I request that the moderators resolve the problematic situation in the team game "+12 MSC" vs "Team of Satirists".

Brown attacked Blue, and during the battle, a disconnect occurred. Blue reported that they should connect to his game, as he is loading it. Brown replied that they should first send the latest save file from Blue, explaining that if something happens after the game, he wants to compare the old save with the new one. Blue refused, saying that he has the right not to provide save files during the game, and that the Arbitration Committee should resolve this situation.

I ask the moderators to resolve the problematic situation in the game between team "+12 MSC" and "Team of Satirists".

Brown attacked Blue, and during the battle, a disconnect occurred. Blue said to join him, he's loading the game, to which Brown replied that they should first send the latest save from Blue, explaining that if something happens after the game, he wants to compare the old save with the new one. Blue refused, saying that he has the right not to provide saves during the game, and that the Arbitration Committee (AK) should deal with this situation.

It's not very nice to distort facts... If you're posting on the forum, not in a private message to the AK, describe the whole situation, don't manipulate public opinion.
I'll describe the situation from my side; there are several points here.
Earlier, in game 111, a player from the opposing team had an unexplained crash. They loaded the game and continued. Closer to the end, a crash or disconnect occurred on our side. We loaded the game. A question came: did 8 minutes get added to your time? No, it didn't... confusion and a question. What if loading a save adds time? On all versions? Or only in 46? Or was it fixed in 48? And did the opponents get time added when they loaded in game 111? How can we know now? Judging by the speed of the turns, I can conclude that by the end of the timer, they didn't really have much time left; they could have been stalling for those minutes. But this is more of a philosophical question.
Secondly, we're playing a team tournament, and so on. But the situation is: I have time until the first hour of the night, and the opponents should have even more time. Brown attacks Blue, and then the opponents activate "Vladimir mode"... a long pause... Satir writes: -what's the desynchronization about? -no, I'm just taking a break from the timer. Okay, we'll wait... he took a break. He walked around. Blue responded. We're waiting... we're waiting normally... -what's going on? -my teammate went to smoke, I'm waiting, we need to discuss it.

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The only possible move is "wait," we're just sitting and waiting... What kind of disrespect is this? Have some decency, think, but respect other people's time. Of course, this is not written in the rules anywhere, but you should also use common sense...

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I walked around the apartment, came back. Desynchronization in the battle, we crashed. And then it started...
I write: come on, Blue will load, repeat the moves in the battle.
Satir receives this in his ICQ (I'm reconstructing the conversation from memory, I don't think it's important that it's not perfectly accurate): -send the auto-save, we want to check the setup so that you don't change it (it seems like distrust, but okay).

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don't you remember how it was? I also have a question about loading the first turn, why did you load then, what were those strange crashes, what about the 8 minutes, were they real or not?
Satir in response:
-why should I send you saves now, while the game isn't over, I don't really trust you, what will you do with this save? Come into the game, let's fight, the save is saved, I'll send it after the battle.
-we won't replay until you send us the save.
-why should I send it to you? I'll send it after the battle.
-or send the save, or we'll complain to the AK
-well, complain, the AK will request it, and we'll send it to them.
I don't understand the principle of getting the save before the end of the match; they offered to send it after the game, and I think that's absolutely normal. I would be more concerned about the situation where Satir's mass spell in the first round should have been cast as it was before the desynchronization, i.e., the opponent's skeletons should have resisted....
In short, I didn't understand the principle regarding the save... We wrote to the AK, and that's it, let them figure it out. They can throw coins in the Well or award points based on the conversation, whatever. I don't have much time or desire to play this match. To sit for n minutes and wait for them to smoke, eat, feed their parrots. I suggest not starting a flame war in this thread; if anyone needs anything from the AK, they can ask the questions themselves.

Sit around for n minutes and wait for them to smoke, eat, and feed their parrots.

No offense, but the "parrots" part was a bit much.

I probably wouldn't give that save either, why would I? Should I send a save file and links to the stream every 10 minutes?
P.S. I forgot why I came to this thread =)) Where are our opponents? :D At least give me a rough estimate of when your match will be finished?

It's not very nice to distort facts... Since you're posting on the forum, not in a private message to the admin, describe the whole situation, don't manipulate public opinion.
I'll describe the situation from my side; there are a few points here.
Earlier, on turn 111, a player from the opposing team had an unexplained crash. The game was reloaded. Play continued. Closer to the end, a crash or disconnect occurred on our side. We reloaded. A question arose: did 8 minutes get added to your time? No, it wasn't added... confusion and a question. What if loading a save adds time? On all versions? Or only in 4.6? Or was it fixed in 4.8? And did the opponents have time added when they reloaded on turn 111? How can we know now? Judging by the speed of the turns, I can conclude that by the end of the timer, they didn't really have much time left; those minutes could have been used to stall. But this is more of a philosophical question.
Secondly, we're playing a team tournament, and so on. But the situation is: I have time until 1 AM, and the opponents should have more time. Brown attacks blue, and then the opponents activate Vladimir's mod... a long pause... Satyr writes: -what's the lag? -no, I'm just taking a break from the timer. Okay, we'll wait... he took a break. He walked around. Blue responded. We're waiting... we're waiting normally... -what's going on? -my teammate went to smoke, I'm waiting, we need to discuss it.

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Fuck...

The only possible move is "wait," we're just sitting and waiting... What kind of disrespect is this? Have some decency, think, but respect other people's time. Of course, this isn't written in the rules anywhere, but you should also use common sense...

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I'm tired of waiting,

I walked around the apartment, and came back. Lag in the battle, we all crashed. And then it started...
I write: come on, blue, reload, repeat the moves in the battle.
Satyr receives this in ICQ (I'm reconstructing the conversation from memory; I don't think it's important that it's not perfectly accurate): -send the auto-save, we want to check the setup, so you don't change it (it seems like distrust, but okay).

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Damn,

don't you remember how it was? I also have a question about loading the first turn; why did you reload then? What were those strange crashes? What about the 8 minutes, were they real or not?
Satyr replies:
-why should I send you the saves now, while the game isn't over? I don't really trust you; what will you do with that save? Come into the game, let's fight, the save is saved, I'll send it after the battle.
-we won't replay until you send us the save.
-why should I send it to you? I'll send it after the battle.
-or send the save, or we'll complain to the admin.
-okay, complain, the admin will request it, and we'll send it.
I don't understand the principle of getting the save before the end of the match; you offered to send it after the game, and I think that's perfectly normal. I would be more concerned about the situation where Maslou from Satyr should have been placed in the first round as it was before the lag, i.e., the opponent's skeletons should have resisted....
In short, I don't understand the principle regarding the save... We wrote to the admin, and that's it; let them sort it out. They'll give out points or award them based on the conversation, whatever; I don't have much time or desire to continue this match. To sit for n minutes and wait for them to smoke, eat, feed their parrots. I suggest not starting a flame war in this thread; if anyone needs anything from the admin, they can ask the questions themselves.

I'll say my piece too: the crash on turn 111 may not have been on my side, but they wrote to me that everyone crashed, they gave me the save, and no time was added (this is Dima's delusion; I told him right away), but even if it had been added, nothing would have changed (I currently have about 20 minutes). I went to smoke for 3 minutes while Satyr was setting up (sorry if you had to wait), but we also waited for about 15 minutes while Satyr, standing on the bird, was thinking about his first move (I had time until about 4 AM), and no one complained (unlike some). And regarding the saves: what was the problem with giving the save and continuing??? The conversation wasn't about the troop setup.
And, in general, Dima has a replay; everything is visible there