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Offline Dirty_Player
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To be honest, I don't like all these "gimmicks" with empty Pandora boxes. If a book can be clearly regulated, then Pandora boxes are a real problem.
For example, I have a hero with no Wisdom, he takes a Pandora box at level 1, then another Pandora box at level 2, and then an empty Pandora box... The question is, can I use a Town Portal scroll? The empty Pandora box could have contained the entire level 4, or it could have contained all the earth... If such a rule is to be introduced, it should only be done under the condition that any hero has learned a specific spell from the Pandora box.
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Offline Roger DAltavilla
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All level 4 spellcasters initially have Wisdom, so boost it and confidently recruit Pandorians. This is a question for the first level-up. Are you planning to modify the rules?
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For example, I have a hero with no Wisdom. I picked a level 1 Pandora's Box, then a level 2 Pandora's Box, and then an empty Pandora's Box... The question is, can I use a Town Portal scroll? The empty Pandora's Box could have contained the entire 4th level, or it could have contained all Earth spells...

I'm amazed by you guys :smile21:
You can't, because you don't know what was in the Pandora's Box.

The rules clearly state that you must have taken the desired spell from the Pandora's Box.
Did you take that spell from the Pandora's Box? Yes/No
The correct answer is No.
The question is closed. :smile51:

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In the most extreme case, if the player is really annoying...
He can say that the correct answer to the question is neither Yes nor No, but - I Don't Know.

Well, if you don't know, then you don't know - go ahead and use the scroll. After the game, you check - if you were lucky with the Pandora's Box, there was no violation of the rules. If the spell was not in the Pandora's Box, then tough luck.
Please - if you want to take that risk, go ahead.
I don't see any contradiction with the rules either.
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still, I think the point about Pandora's Box without Wisdom is unnecessary. In my opinion, if you took the box without Wisdom, you've already missed the chance to use magic. IMHO.
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Regarding the free upgrade of 1st-level creatures, rebellious made a good point. We need to either prohibit upgrading all of them or prohibit upgrading only skeletons, while allowing the rest to be upgraded without restrictions, or continue upgrading all of them, making the most of the bonus. Upgrading skeletons costs only 10 coins. 1,000 skeletons = 10,000 coins.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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4.4. Restart at the player's request if the only path leads to the Guardian (for the 2SM4d(3), Jebus cross, Balance, Nostalgia templates). It is taken on the day this fact is discovered, but no later than day 115.
If subjective restarts remain, the player can use a subjective restart of their choice (e.g., on day 114, they can use the remaining restart from day 111).
If subjective restarts are over, but the player discovers that the only path from the starting Castle leads to the Guardian, they are entitled to request an additional restart.

4.5. Restart due to a strong block if the block cannot be bypassed and the block cuts off the Castle from the main part of the starting zone, leaving no opportunity for development up to the block. It is taken up to and including day 112.
The strength of the block is primarily assessed by the player who reported the block, then by their opponent, and if there is a dispute between the players, by the host/judge/admin.
If subjective restarts remain, the player can use a subjective restart of their choice (i.e., on day 112, they can use the remaining restart from day 111).
If subjective restarts are over, the player is entitled to request an additional restart.

I never understood why I should have to spend my subjective restart because of a bad map generation. And it wouldn't be so bad if it were the first or second time, but when it's the last one, and then you just have to play with whatever you get, it's complete nonsense. In the same CM, personally, I have about every fifth restart where the only path leads to the Guardian. The point is the same with the block, only it happens less often.

IMO, the part highlighted in red should be removed...:smile13:

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still, I think that the point about Pandora's Box without Wisdom is unnecessary. In my opinion, if you take a box without Wisdom, you've already missed the chance to use magic. IMO.
With Wisdom, but without the book, it will also be useless, right?
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In the hands of a Necromancer, a Fortress becomes quite a formidable weapon; you need it for a +1 speed boost, quickly transport it to the Fortress, use it, and then you can convert it back.
Also, does anyone else find Mullich confusing?

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In the hands of a Necromancer, a Fortress becomes quite a formidable weapon; you need it for a +1 speed boost, quickly transport it to the Fortress, use it, and then you can convert it back.
Also, does anyone else find Mullich confusing?
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With a Necropolis, a Fortress becomes quite a formidable weapon. You need +1 speed for some breakthrough, quickly move it to the Fortress, break through, and then you can convert it back.
Also, does the Mullich bother anyone else?
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You'd think Fortresses generate on every square meter. Nothing prevents the same Necromancers from upgrading Bone Dwellings for that +1 speed and then converting them back. This is usually done when there are still few Bone Dwellings, and upgrading them won't cost much anyway.
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I never understood why I have to waste my subjective restart because of flawed generation. And it's not like it's the first or second time, but when it's the last one, and then you just have to play whatever you get, it's complete nonsense. On the same Chaos Map, personally for me, about every fifth restart leads to a game over. The block has the same meaning, only less often.

In my opinion, remove the part highlighted in red...:smile13:

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With wisdom, but without a book, it will also be useless, right?

You have three restarts. Generate something good - use the restarts for blocks. It's your problem if you can't play difficult maps. Restarts already last an hour, why prolong them even more?
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You have three rests. Generate chocolate – spend your rests on blocks. It’s your problem if you don’t know how to play labor cards. Rests already last an hour, why prolong them even more???
It’s completely illogical. Why does subjective rest get consumed under one set of conditions, but not under others? For example, regarding a meeting, one player wants a rest, and the other doesn’t, so let the one who wants it spend their subjective rest. Or, similarly, regarding slow roads, some want a rest, and others don’t.

And what does chocolate generation have to do with it? For example, I take my first rest, then rest on one road going to the city, and then rest on a block. And that’s it, I’m out of rests. What a load of chocolate I generated…
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Why was the flying ban and the damage reduction on panic and balance implemented? This was one of those rare instances in Heroes where the Tower, with its library, had an advantage over other castles. And even then, it wasn't so much an advantage as a more or less realistic way to counter the bonuses of other castles. I personally won using this strategy. There are always discussions here about how "our heroes have not only swords but also magic," but this change adds imbalance again, favoring swords.
In short, I'm annoyed:smile18:
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check the scenario info; the template author himself wrote "NO DD FLY" in a panic. What surprises you?
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Template size XL+U: 8mm6, 8mm6a, 8xm12, 8xm12a, 8xm8/8xm8a, 6LM10, 6LM10a, Spider
Map settings options: map size XL+U, players – 2; computers – 0...
Is there definitely no typo here? It seems like we always played with computers...
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I suggest banning Necromancer units on HotL maps. Necromancy is already very strong.
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Vatya, you won't generate anything worthwhile with the current balance of the starting resources. Restarts are meant to prevent bad games, not to generate 2 slingers + something else.

Previously, there weren't any restarts after just one road in HotA or in the block. You play a faction, all the restarts happen, and it generates such a mess that you write to your opponent, and he already sends you a link to a report with a rematch offer. That's what SevenSan used to do back in the day, even though the community criticized him for it. But you are spared from such situations; consider yourself a lucky generation :)

Can Solmyr be rushed without building a town hall? Is this still under discussion, or...?

I don't think I was drunk, but I can't choose Mullich as a starting hero for Castle. It's simply not in the list :smile21:
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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