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Played Jebus Cross with The_. I played as blue, controlling Dungeon. On turn 126 I entered the treasure zone with 11 dragons, 3 Angels, 180 Troglodytes, etc.
The_ told me in a commanding tone to save the game. :) Before that, he himself challenged me to a rematch. I told him in advance that I would not finish saved games, meaning we play to the end. He agreed. At 5:30, some unexpected matters came up for him.

I will send the correspondence and saves to the AC. There is a screenshot where The_ left the game.

Honestly, some people have nothing to do, muddling others' minds at night. First they say one thing, then another.

I will NEVER play with The_ again!!!

I am attaching a screenshot where The_ unilaterally left the game. And saves 111-126. Password is 7878, or no password (it's night, I don't remember if I set a password after the restart).
I am also attaching the correspondence. I clearly explained that we play to the end. He confirmed. Now he's dodging, saying I told him I wouldn't go to sleep. Read the correspondence from bottom to top.
I do not consider the publication a violation of rights. Since the opponent does not keep his word.

I don't need this win at all. I myself suggested in the correspondence to play without reporting. But no, he needed a rematch.

And also, some people have the nerve to be rude to others.

In short, if I do play again, it will only be with serious people.

A man said it, a man answered. No means no.

He said he had to leave, but he's still hanging on the site. The time now is 6:18. We would have finished long ago.


Well, that's news. Let's go through it in order.

First, a small digression: Chingis complained that his previous opponent left to sleep, to which he got the reply that I definitely would not go to sleep (because during the game I was making a presentation for an auction and wasn't planning to sleep anyway, but at 5:30 I realized I was missing part of the documentation left at the office, so I had to leave 2 hours earlier than planned to finish my night's work :)), in absolutely no phrase did I promise him to play to the bitter end, although he might have interpreted the phrase: "I definitely won't go to sleep" as meaning we play to the end.
Now I will answer the other claims.

I said it in a commanding tone? "Save when you finish your turn, I need to leave, we'll finish tomorrow." How else could I have asked you? Or are you offended that I didn't say "please"? You have a screenshot of the game where I left? Oh dear, how else would you suggest I leave? :). I would understand the complaint if I had left during my own turn or saved somewhere unclear, but I waited for you to completely finish your turn, and left right after the turn was passed, again to avoid any complaints. I insisted on a rematch? Well, if the phrase "let's play for a report" is insistence, rather than a proposal which you yourself accepted, then there are no questions (in principle it doesn't matter, it just sounds like I forced you to play for a report at gunpoint). I asked you to contact the AC, because, after your smart phrase "I'm in the treasure zone with 11 dragons, so you lost." Of course, being in a hurry and slightly upset about forgetting the documentation and having to leave in a rush, I reacted in exactly the same way, answering "no, you lost."
Next. "I do not consider the publication a violation of rights." Well, this is just you showing your rudeness (in which you also try to accuse me, but more on that later). "Since the opponent does not keep his word." Again, what word did I not keep? That I wouldn't go to sleep? - And I didn't. I apologize that circumstances turned out this way, but nothing more; if I wrote to the forum after every such case where opponents we agreed to play with left after 20 minutes, or didn't finish to the end (due to tiredness, other matters, etc.), or just went offline without explanation, there would be a hundred such threads here.
"I will NEVER play with The_ again!!!" I hope you understand what a severe emotional trauma you have inflicted on me with your message, how will I live without you and games with you? :(
"left the game unilaterally" - this phrase deserves an award for maximum lack of semantic meaning.
"I don't need this win at all." Then why did you so vigorously argue that you won, solely based on the fact that I couldn't finish the game? And regarding finishing, I made it clear to you that I am online almost every day, and am ready to continue at ANY time convenient for you.
"And also, some people have the nerve to be rude to others." "Some people have the nerve" (c) a golden collection of quotes. In which, excuse my language, place was I rude to you? To your question "Am I a clown to you?" (any question implies doubt, this is just to note), and since you yourself are not sure and asked for my opinion, I decided to say what I think - based on your actions and conversation - you resemble one. Where else you could have seen "rudeness" I do not understand.

"A man said it, a man answered. No means no." For the third time, where did I break my word? But whether you can answer for your words is a big question. Starting with why this thread was created here, and not sent directly to the AC, as I recommended you do, as any contentious issue regarding game moments is resolved. Instead, from a simple situation where, in principle, a conflict could not have arisen, you made a tragedy. Trying to portray yourself as a hero-great-martyr-exposer? In my opinion, it only provided an even more obvious answer to the question: "Am I a clown to you?"

Lyrical digression, since you decided to publish private correspondence without my consent, that means at least you yourself do not object to its publication and distribution, from this moment I found my forum signature under all messages: Chingis: - Am I a clown to you? The_ - You resemble one.

"He said he had to leave, but he's still hanging on the site. The time now is 6:18. We would have finished long ago." It's just that I am a cyber-genius and my computer shuts down by itself when all torrents finish downloading, this is almost impossible to achieve, but I can share this future technology. And yes, probably, if a site page is open, or ICQ, or even Skype, then of course that means the person is directly at the computer at that very second! There can't even be any doubt!

Summarizing.
At almost any moment, I am ready to finish the game with Chingis, if he doesn't have time in the coming days-weeks-months etc. I am ready to give him the victory (after all, there are 11 dragons there, nonetheless), so that he can let it go (nerve cells don't regenerate :)), and he could not play for another year, remembering his past successes. I also apologize to people who involuntarily stumbled upon this post in this thread.
I hope I was able to clearly describe the situation from my side. And I suggest to Chingis, if he still has any questions, to discuss them either directly with the AC, or with me personally, rather than blowing this absurdity up to the level of schizophrenia.

P.S. Apologies for errors and typos, if any, I am very tired and have no desire to check.
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... Did I insist on a rematch? ...
Your quote from the correspondence:
"The_ (05/17/2013 02:11)
I don't want it to be considered a report; I just didn't want to lose to you, especially after I messed up on turn 114. I'll take a rematch."


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... I apologize that things turned out this way,...
If you had said so right away, I would have offered you a draw, just like I did with the first opponent, and the matter would have been closed.

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I found my forum signature under all messages: Chingis: - Am I a clown to you? The_ - You look like one.
You called me a clown several times; I forgive you.

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Almost at any time, I'm ready to finish the game with Chingis. If he doesn't have time in the coming days, weeks, or months, I'm ready to give him the victory.

And I suggest that Chingis, if he has any questions, discuss them either directly with the Administration or with me personally.

1. How will we finish the game if I've already uploaded my saves and the password? Besides, I don't play often, and the game is only possible in a couple of weeks.

2. In this case, I didn't need a victory, but practice in male combat in the Heroes 3 game in the FUTURE.

3. I contacted the Administration not to ask them to award me the victory, but to clarify whether I also have the right to treat opponents in this way. If you don't believe me, ask Pit for LM.
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Let's all write to AK and Pitu; otherwise, they'll have nothing else to do but sort out the issues.
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3. I contacted the AK not to ask them to award me the victory, but to clarify whether I also have the right to throw opponents in a similar way.
Don't believe me, ask Pit for LM.
Personally, I believe that each player has the right to save the game at any time. After all, we don't play for 90 minutes, like in football, but sometimes for 9+ hours. Urgent matters, etc., can always arise.
The problem of unfinished games does exist. In casual games, many, realizing that the situation is not very good, prefer to start a new game.

Well, ideally, it would still be correct to discuss before the game how much time each player has for the game. If the game is not a tournament, but just a casual game, then it is highly desirable to clarify whether the game is being played for a record. And seasonal games should preferably be played with a person with whom it is comfortable to play and there are no problems with agreements.
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By the way, I can say without giving examples that we have players on the forum, and not just one, who, for example, save the game with you at turn 143. The game should end by turn 147, where you will completely crush your opponent, but it's impossible to finish the game because the opponent always remains silent in the chat, even though they are often online. There are not just one or two such players, and because of this, we can come up with a rule about finishing the game. For example, after 5 unanswered offers within 2 weeks, the judges can decide to award the loss to the opponent :D

лето 2012.
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Chingis

2. There should be a rule about the procedure for ending a game. If one player leaves the game without permission from their opponent (unless there is a prior agreement about saving), they leave the battlefield: they either flee or die, it doesn't matter - they lose. IMHO.

Why? In tournaments, this might make sense. Probably. But in a season game... There are no strict deadlines here. The rules are more than flexible. Why complicate things?
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2. There should be a rule regarding the procedure for ending a game. If one player leaves the game without permission from their opponent (unless there was a prior agreement about saving), they forfeit the match: they either flee or die, it doesn't matter – they lose. IMHO.

But what if I suddenly have something urgent to do and need to leave, and you won't let me? Does that mean I automatically lose? IMHO, the game shouldn't interfere with real life. We shouldn't forget that any game, whether it's for fun or a tournament, is a form of entertainment, and as the saying goes, there's a time for work and a time for play.
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Well, for example, I might suddenly have things to do and need to leave, but you won't let me, and then what? I lose? In my opinion, the game shouldn't interfere with real life. We shouldn't forget that any game, whether it's for fun or a tournament, is entertainment, and as the saying goes, there's a time for work and a time for play.
Those are the right words. But what if, after that save, I write to you 3,000 times, you're constantly online on ICQ, and you keep refusing or ignoring me for all those 3,000 times (which is about a month)? What happens then?
And let's add the condition that you 100% lost in that game:smile13:

лето 2012.
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18.05.2013 Defiant (red, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) def nitro43 (blue, Castle, Tyris, Tyris) 117 Jebus Cross
I took 2 restarts, opponent 1 and we started playing.
The spawn was average: Shakti with 3 stacks, but with Lore as second hero, and right next to the castle a Pandora's Box with 20 Gargoyles, I take it, and it's empty:( . I scout, take the Arena with Shakti, burn a Helm of +5 Knowledge, a Club of +5 Attack behind easy guards, as well as 2 Street urchins, nothing from the caches except 2 Troglodyte caches. On 113 I break the guard of the first Hive (~70 Golems), take the Gold Mine nearby, and power-level from it. On 114 I bring Medusas, take the 6 Urchins for Vivi, then take the second for 8. In the prison I find Sandro with Slow in his spellbook, Advanced Logistics, Expert Necromancy, with which I raise half a hundred Skeletons for subsequent Hives. Simultaneously I capture secondary towns, building a Mage Guild with Slow in one, and also find a Griffin Conservatory near it; near another, while clearing with Shakti, I find another Urchin behind Vampires (+8 Vivi), I clear with Shakti in the main. Total on 116: 22 ducks. On 117 I break ~50 Dendroids for a Cap of +5, made a mistake by not separating singles, as a result I had to sacrifice the remaining Troglodytes, then I move the army toward the Mercenary Camp, since my gut feeling told me there might be something interesting there. Indeed: +1 Ghost Dragon. On 121 I had plans to take the Club of +5, the Pandora's Box behind Horned Demons, clear the secondary, get Slow, replenish mana at a nearby Well, take another Pandora's Box behind Pegasi, and through the level-up buildings advance toward the GO (50-99 Pits), fortunately Shakti was leveling almost perfectly (denied Logistics:( ) – Offense, Tactics, Armorer, Earth Magic, Wisdom. However, on 117 the opponent informs me that there's no point in continuing the game, since almost his entire army was lost on the block of 50-99 Gold Golems for the Urchin and the Pandora's Box.

Thanks for the game!
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18.05.2013 Defiant (red, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti) def nitro43 (blue, Castle, Tyris, Tyris) 117 Jebus Cross
I took 2 restarts, opponent 1 and we started playing.
The spawn was average: Shakti with 3 stacks, but with a second hero Lora, right next to the castle a Pandora's box for 20 Gargoyles, I take it, and it's empty:( . I scout, take the Arena with Shakti, find a Helmet +5 Knowledge, a Club +5 Attack behind easy guards, as well as 2 Dragon Fly Hives, from piles nothing except 2 piles of Troglodytes. On 113 I break the guard of the first Hive (~70 Golems), take the Gold Mine next to it, and ramp up there. On 114 I bring Medusas, take the Dragon Fly Hive for 6 Wyverns, then take the second for 8. In the prison I find Sandro with Slow in the book, Advanced Logistics, Expert Necromancy, I raise half a hundred Skeletons with Necro for the subsequent Hives. Simultaneously I capture secondary towns, in one I built a Mage Guild with Slow, and also found a Griffin Conservatory near it, near another, while clearing with Shakti, I found another Dragon Fly Hive behind Vampires (+8 Wyverns), I break through with Shakti into the main. Total on 116: 22 Wyverns. On 117 I break through ~50 Dendroids for a Helm +5, misplayed, didn't separate the singles, as a result had to sacrifice the remaining Troglodytes, then I move the army towards the Mercenary Camp, because my gut feeling told me there might be something interesting there. And indeed: +Ghost Dragon. On 121 the plans were to clear the Club +5, a Pandora's box behind Horned Demons, break into the secondary, take Slow, refill mana in the Mana Well nearby, take another Pandora's box behind Pegasi and, through the level-up altars, move towards the GO (50-99 Pits), fortunately Shakti was leveling almost perfectly (didn't give Logistics:( ) - Offense, Tactics, Armorer, Earth, Wisdom. However, on 117 the opponent reports that there is no point in continuing the game, as almost the entire army was lost on a block of 50-99 Gold Golems for the Dragon Fly Hive and Pandora's box.

Thanks for the game!
On 111 I got 40 Marksmen from a Pandora's, started hard farming XP with Tyris. On 114 I lost: with 50+ Marksmen and Mass Slow I tried to break 50-99 Gold Golems, but lost, because Spell Power was only 2 and mana for 2 Slow casts + I didn't control well. I tried to play a bit more with what I managed to gather (a couple of Cavaliers, 4 Swordsmen, 7 Griffins), since Tyris already had Expert Earth, Tactics and Leadership, but on 117 I gave up.
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Everyone has the right to save at any time; honestly, it's sometimes amusing to see someone get agitated when you say, "Save at the end of your turn," especially when they have to go to work tomorrow. We're all playing for fun, we're not paying, and we're not signing contracts, so we need to learn to understand other people. It's a different matter when, after saving, a person doesn't hurry to finish the game – in that case, you can write about it on the forum and add them to your own "blacklist" (personally, I've only added one person to such a list in a couple of years). But again, limiting communication with such unreliable types is something each player can decide for themselves.
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As has already been said, the argument is about intentional underperformance, which is considered unfair play. The only thing is to find where it was mentioned; I think it was written by **Pit for LM**.
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17/05-2013.злой_романтик (Red, Tower, Nella, Nella) def The_ (Blue, Dungeon, Miner, Miner) Jebus 147
This was epic :D I quickly took 3 restarts (2 due to blocks, in the 3rd, everything seemed fine, but the scout hero goes into the crypt, it's maxed, plus he positioned badly and gg), so, I play what the opponent allows;) The spawn was something else, I dreamed every day that Blue would take a rest, but alas:(, in the end I had to play SUPERJEBUS, where the external dwellings were only 3 cap-dwelling external dwellings, taken on week 1, 2 and 3 respectively:D, 1 Griffin Conservatory and 6 Hives, with only 2 near the road, the others far in the snow, and a single Dragon Utopia, GG Efreet Sultans... sad:rolleyes: but there are 5 or 6 external markets:smile13:
In the end, on week 1, Nagas in the Citadel, cap-dwelling taken:smile13: , main on day 5 broke through to the native secondary, took shield +4, broke into the main, ran into the snow, took 2 trees for 12 Swarms, but lost all Golems and one Naga, revealed Golden Bow and Titan's Cuirass behind the Ogres - it got a bit easier;)
On week 2, main and her retinue take the remaining Hives, Conservatory 3, Nella levels up perfectly - Logistics, Earth, Tactics, Archery - all Expert, Golden Bow with Cuirass taken, Necklace of Swiftness and... an important nuance - the scout hero Xiron picks up an Experience Pandora's Box and advances Fire Magic (this will decide a lot later;) )
Nella stands next to the Dragon Utopia, after it plans to run to the GG
Week 3 - In 1 Dragon Utopia nothing useful, only Sword of All, I hit GG, the Sultans, scoundrels, even with Oil they are fast, but losses only 19 Gargoyles (Magi and Cappers with Golden Bow and Expert Archery - power;) ) In a treasure zone I immediately took another couple of Hives. revealed a couple of Dragon Utopias. In 1 of them they gave a typical SoD-style - 2 Spheres, a Wood Cart and some other junk:D, but in the second one I got a KZ and 2 Chupa Chups, but a mana ambush (I camp every day with a Chupa Chup in hand, so they don't bomb me with something:) ), I can't reach the central Castle.. oh those roads... I see Blue's scorpions, I free Adelaide level 20, who takes the Blue cap, finally on day 137 I reach the central Swamp Castle, build a Mage Guild.. relief.. but another nuance - Xiron spots KO and Titan's Plate behind the Hydras, and I already have Orb of Fire, so a thought arises to Armageddon a bit:smile13:
Week 4 - Gathering everything possible, upgrading Swarms and "I come to you", said Nella and went to the enemy's Castle, with sneaky Xiron trailing behind;) On day 146, an army of 62 upgraded Swarms, 3 Angels, 300+ Cappers, 20+ Archmagi, 3 Titans and 5 Nagas runs into a Dungeon, where Miner is holed up.
147 - I check with the scout hero what Miner has in reserve, seems like nothing, Angel speed 12, so no speed artifacts, Xiron takes the Necklace of Swiftness from Nella, 1 Angel and Armageddons for 1.5k:smile51: Out of the entire army, 20+ Swarms, 1 Angel, 1 Mentalist survive, but then Nella arrives and gg:smile20:
Thanks for the game.. it was very educational, I've never played such a difficult layout before:)
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19.05.2013 zoog (red, conflux, rnd, Grindan, Nagash) def Lim4 (blue, tower, Neela) panic, 132
Played terribly sloppy, at 111 wasted air elementals and 20 faeries out of nowhere, but Nagash and Gunnar were recruited, the skeleton picker due to lack of planning (Gunnar did almost nothing for 80% of the game) becomes the main one, helped by a meteor shower scroll making the decision. At 121 I half-throw myself about 90 grunt orcs (guard 100500) with Gunnar and decide to Nagash in the depths of my own grass, at 132 I find the 1st Griffin Conservatory) break through into a couple of treasuries and meet the opponent, troops and parameters are nothing, but opposite only 8 angels and mass haste(s so I overwhelmed with meat and shower.
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19.05.2013 zoog (red, conflux, rnd, Grindan, Nagash) def Lim4 (blue, tower, Neela) panic, 132
I played terribly sloppily, on 111 I threw away the air elementals and 20 faeries for no reason, but Nagash and Gunnar were hired, the skeleton picker-upper, due to the lack of planning (Gunnar did almost nothing for 80% of the game) becomes the main one, and a meteor shower scroll also helped me decide. On 121 I almost throw myself against 90 gr orcs (guard 100500) with Gunnar and decide to go Nagash in the depths of my own grass, on 132 I find the 1st Griffin Conservatory) I break through to a couple of treasure locations and meet the opponent, the troops and stats are nothing, but the opponent has only 8 angels and mass haste, so I overwhelmed with meat and the shower.
Thanks for the game/
19.05.2013 zoog (red, conflux, rnd, Grindan, Nagash) def Lim4 (blue, tower, Neela) panic, 142
zoog is clearly being modest about himself, about the opponent, and about the final date, but overall I confirm:)
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