Posts from [2x2 Tournament] Resurrection

through a glitched passage in the 2v2 tournament format, it's not possible to pass to the opponent - this is my opinion - it's only allowed if you have wings, Dimension Door, and Fly - other options are nonsense and confusion...

This issue has been discussed, and we have made a decision. Whether it's good or bad is not important; the main thing is that it's clear. Passing through a glitched passage between allies IS allowed. In my opinion, a glitched passage between allies is a small bonus, like a good Pandora's Box behind weak guards.

I'll also add that if a glitched passage appears between opponents, it can be used if your Town Portal and the opponent's Town Portal have been activated. I think that's logical.

a passage between allies is a small bonus

in my opinion, this is a huge advantage, increasing the chances of winning by about 50%...

Come on, guys, it's all about skill there, they punished those noob players with Hive faction in a grand way...

Also, I'd like to add that if there's a bugged passage between opponents, it can be used if both your and the opponent's Guardian Towers are destroyed. I think that's logical.

And this is just amazing, especially if you have a combined, double-built, or larger Guardian Tower that can't be bypassed; one player simply destroys it, killing the timer at 0, and the other player takes the main tower along the way with a secondary attack – that's just incredible.

in my opinion, this is a mega-imba, increasing the chance of winning by about 50%...

I don't see any super-imba here, compared to, say, a Knight Order behind trees or a 30th level Makelith from the Dungeon, it's basically insignificant. In this format, so many unexpected things can happen that I don't see any point in banning anything.

HellLighT, can't you just leave it alone? :)

"Not a Step Back!" Albert@s (sin, swamp, Bro) + Wlk777 (green, dungeon, Shakti) def "Oelm team" Oelm (red, Conflux, Luna) + AlexTheGreat (tent, ramp, Mephala) JC 125
111 - I take the external dwelling of lizards, scout the mini-conservatory, take the external dwelling of wasps. I see a set of gnoll-hives no))...opponents (well-known bluffers in their circle) don't take a restart - Shakti starts moving - from the observatory we scout 2-3 chests, conservatory 3-4, 2 external dwellings of trogs, 1 of minos, 1 Dragon Fly Hive, and, most importantly, wings - Valek fears my lack of hives - I convince him to play - and we turn out to be right after all!
112 - I get 90 gnolls from a chest, finally scout a Dragon Fly Hive (unfortunately the only one on the respawn), scout an external dwelling of wyverns - my soul feels better... Valek takes the external dwelling of trogs. We put them in the portal - only after that do we take minos - good - Shakti runs to the stable - after it he will break a gold golem for a chest and a shield+5...
113 - Dragon Fly Hive on 6)) hell... how to break out??? But another conservatory is scouted - I don't check it - I want Bro to take it without recon for now - need exp... Valek takes goodies and pulls the chain for wings - we'll take conservatory 3-4 on 114 (didn't check - zero gold - tempo - and we were hoping for mass curse)
114-115 - I buy myself out at my ally's, buy a spell book, run along the stat-boosters - then home - to the conservatory - waiting for angels from my ally, the chain to transfer everything to me - is ready... but plans change... a frustrating loss at Valek's max conservatory and everything becomes, unfortunately, foggy... but we didn't give up - we re-evaluated the situation - Valek buys himself out at my place, gives me wings and the shield - and my hero from his respawn will bring me another Dragon Fly Hive... no gold, But Bro persistently devours chests that were dropped near the GO - need skills for GO - 32 efreeti with a stack(8)...
116 - the plan is fully realized - a Dragon Fly Hive is taken from the ally - but again 6))) - total of 16 ducks))) - I make monarchs, and with all my might - my hero dives into the conservatory - thank god - tier 3 - we thrashed 3 ducks - we got 4 angels, 13 monarchs, a small feast - I transfer everything to the boosted Bro - he attacks the GO without losing angels and monarchs - time is running out before our eyes - red flags are already visible in the center - I decide to fly out through wasteland to a Dragon Utopia with a chest guard - I kill it - in the chest 20 medusas - quins - I'm at the Dragon Utopia (10-19) Bro is somewhere around 6-13 - +17 lizards remain alive... need to feel it out)) mini-5oll - not bad - and time ran out at the Dragon Utopia...
117 - they don't attack (understandable - there's nothing to attack with))) from the scout 3 hives and the center castle are visible - dungeon - everything is taken (all 3 hives - mini-bastards - just no luck at all), also I manage to break through 2 GO of Valentin (monarchs and necro dragons with a stack), give the hero 10 wyverns (set up a chain - to finish off the conservatory), and smash Bro back into the center castle - zero time... Valek - the champ finishes off the max conservatory, takes another Dragon Fly Hive (guess its size yourselves))), and returns all of this in the same turn to Bro - I build a chain to my main - at least to grade this shameful scrap of geese... waiting for 121, but with the redraw ban we understand that an attack most likely won't come...
121 - plans in action - we level Bro - eat up the center - it's not rich - a war starts for another center castle - we win it and drive the opponents completely out of the center, also taking the last Dragon Utopia in the treasure zone...
122 - Bro attacks everything in sight - needs levels - I split him into Valentin's main and took his Dragon Utopia, gave all the army to Shakti and Valentin takes another Dragon Utopia on his own respawn - we have KZ...
123-124 - Bro flies through the remaining goodies in the center - we attack everything for exp - we get 3 CDs in a chest for 90 trolls...
125 - I fly to Oelm's respawn - he's in the castle... I attack...
After 2 hours of battle a desync occurred - Oelm refused to continue - he was tired - Alex offered to restore the battle to the moment of the desync and continue the FB - I agree - but in the end it turns out - I gift them +3 monarchs (they had 15 left - became 18) - it was completely non-critical for me - at the end of the FB (3+ hours) a desync happens again - but it's not critical anymore - Bro turned out to be unkillable - 18 ducks don't even kill a wounded monarch there, and 44 mana vs 250+ of mine - Alex admitted defeat, however offered to replay from the moment of the first desync - however - our position is this - after the setup we were on equal footing, so we see no point in fighting again...
Thanks to the opponents for a worthy fight, Valentin - congratulations on a successful game!

Now this is really hot, especially if you have a shared double-triple or more GO that can't be bypassed; one player simply breaks through it, killing the timer at 0, while the other takes the main from the secondary route along the way. This is just 55555

I don't know what surprised you, :confused: but actually EVEN in the HeroesWorld rules there is such a clause.

2. Differences for Jebus cross:
- Standard map settings: size XL-U, two players, no water, monsters - strong, difficulty 160%, turn time limit - 10 minutes.
- In the Necropolis castle, Galthran can be chosen as the starting hero.
- Restart due to slow roads. Taken if at least one of the opponents wishes so immediately after the map is generated.
- To exit your zone into the central treasure zone (zone 5), as well as to go from the central treasure zone to other zones, you must break through the corresponding GO. Using bugged passages between the central treasure zone and a specific zone is prohibited until the GO between these zones is broken through.
- Moving through bugged passages between two zones 1-4 is allowed only if the GOs between the central zone 5 and both of these zones have been broken through.
- Mandatory restart if a player has no GO at all between their starting zone and the center, i.e., there is no GO at any passage to the center. Taken on the day this fact is discovered.
- Mandatory restart if a player has no passage from their starting zone to the center at all. Taken on the day this fact is discovered.
- Restarts at the player's discretion:
a) who has no GO in the passage through which a road leads to the central treasure zone;
b) whose only road leads to a GO;
c) who has no road to the central treasure zone,
taken on the day these facts are discovered.
If subjective restarts remain, a subjective restart is spent at the player's choice (i.e., on 124 you can take the remaining restart 111).
If the subjective restarts run out, the player has the right to demand an additional restart.
- Using "Angel Wings" and the spells "Fly" and "Dimension Door" when moving from one zone to another is allowed only if the guard between them has been broken through.

Simply put, if you don't know the fundamentals or the rules, and can only complain... Maybe that's enough? Maybe it's time to cool down a bit?

Simply put, if you don't know the basics or the rules, and can only complain... How about enough? Maybe it's time to cool down a bit?

Indeed, I overlooked this point - my bad, but as for your "cool down", I can only suggest where to put it; my opinion of you hasn't changed.

P.s. by the way, what additionally surprised me was that for you, it's abnormal not to check the Griffin Conservatory in the funk after a load, as it was before, but using bugs in tournaments is perfectly fine...

Message from Pit for LM
What do you think about the WT bug, where after splitting up against neutral creatures, their number doubles? Vitaly and I experienced this in the previous game - the dragons suddenly multiplied.

Were you playing on version 0.52? As far as I know, this bug was fixed a year ago.

but regarding your suggestion to "cool down," I can only suggest where you can shove it. My opinion about you hasn't changed.

regarding your suggestion, I can only suggest where you can go.

P.s. By the way, I was also surprised that you don't check the console in the game after loading, as you used to, but you're happy to use bugs in tournaments...

You know, I said about the console right away because it was my mistake. And regarding the bugs, I stick to the position that if it's not forbidden, it's allowed. Name me any well-known bug that isn't forbidden but isn't used? Although, as I understand it, you don't really want to communicate.

Can we stop dwelling on this nonsense? It's already ruining the initial impression of the tournament... everyone has already figured out that everything is fine, you just need to know how to lose... and if someone doesn't want to play, you can always find a replacement for the pair. What's the problem?

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There's a forum, where you can express your opinion calmly.

You know, I mentioned the consul right away because it was my mistake. As for the bugs, I stick to the position that if it's not prohibited, it's allowed. Can you name any well-known bug that isn't prohibited but isn't being exploited? Although, as I understand it, you don't really want to communicate.

This isn't a particularly well-known bug, and its cyclical nature is even less so. If it were that bad, they would have banned it long ago, but they don't know how to do it with a simple restriction in the rules without removing Berserk from the game... I suggest we end this rather pointless discussion and wait for the decision of the AC.

Maybe we can stop dwelling on this nonsense and ruining the initial impression of the tournament... everyone has already figured out that everything is fine, you just need to know how to lose... and if someone doesn't want to play, you can always find a replacement for the pair. What's the problem?

Nothing is fine; the impression has already been ruined, and I know how to lose, especially considering you...

12.01.13. Pit for LM (brown, Castle, Valessa, Mariussa) + Gomunguls (red, Fortress, Broghild, Broghild) def LeBron (blue, Necropolis, Galtran, Galtran) + Dirty_Player (green, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti), jebus, 123.
After both restarts we began. We both got average middle-game setups.
111 – from the normal heroes, Tyraxor came, I decide to level him for now. Near the castle there was a convenient stable, where I sent most of my heroes. I scouted two hives, a Pandora's Box for nomads, two external dwellings of shooters. From the lookout tower I see a few more small external dwellings, but won't reach them. There's a necklace +3+3 morale-luck and a cloak +2 speed. On the other side – a Dragon Utopia and a Conservatory, a helmet +5. For red – a Conservatory, a streetlight, a couple of prisons, a shield +3+3, and Broghild after a Pandora's Box for 5k got Learning and Earth.
112 – I take the Pandora's Box – empty ((. I scouted the passes to both towns, but they had a garrison, couldn't take them easily. One of the villages turned out to be swamp, and apparently because of that )) next to it there were as many as 3 hives. And +1 more for speed. Tyraxor runs to the cluster of external dwellings, artifacts, and a prison. In the swamp another hive was found, an external dwelling of hydras, an external dwelling of gorgons was painted, a decent Alamar was freed from the prison.
113 – I free Mariussa level 10. The level-up is excellent – Expert Armorer, Logistics, Earth, Basic Wisdom, and Archery. I beat the griffins for the necklace +3+3 on morale-luck, enter the refugee camp – harpies ((. Slightly below I revealed a crate for hobgoblins – I take it, and there ... 60 marksmen. The plan becomes very simple – get Slow and take down almost any Dragon Utopia without trouble. Meanwhile, I bought the remaining troops in the castle and used them to claim both secondary towns. The allied swamp dwellers get a third village on the same day, Alamar learns Slow through GM2.
114 – I split back home, visited the stable and +2 to spell power, got free gloves, I run to the Dragon Utopia. The army meanwhile captures the helmet +5 and a Pandora's Box for 10k gold. In the swamp a mini-hive is taken and an external dwelling of hydras is painted.
115 – Allied Alamar splits to me, transfers all needed second-level spells – Lightning Bolt, Slow, Blind. At the Conservatory I get an Angel, transfer everything to Mariussa, she runs along the road and sees a Dragon Utopia – efreet sultans. I didn't have time to be scared of this usually most unpleasant Dragon Utopia, I took it down easily without losses, though I messed up with quick combat, thanks to the opponents for understanding ;). I have enough movement to set up camp in the central Inferno along the path and build a guild there for mana regen. The center generally looks extremely empty. The second streetlight in the swamp also turns out to be minimal. We prepare to hit the Dragon Utopia (rocs).
116 – Blue appears near me. I check – Galtran has decent stats, something like 8-16-10-7, but only 8 mana points. Army – a thirty wyrms and singles (wyverns + black knights). I attack, making a catastrophic mistake – not giving away the warmachine. Apparently I got relaxed after checking the tavern and seeing blue had little gold...
My stats are all around 7, I have 2 angels, 100 marksmen, some pikemen and inferno backup. The battle, as expected, is very simple – Mass Slow, Blind, shoot down. Pity morale-luck-anti-morale didn't proc in the last round... Galtran buys himself out with a dozen wyverns. Oh well, the main thing is that the center is all ours. Broghild came here at the start of his turn and painted the Tower, placing a lookout there. I run for Pandora's Box, kill two dozen nagas, get all magic. But it's Advanced Wisdom... Oh well, have Town Portal and Resurrection, it's fine.
117 – Broghild (after clearing a couple of hives and Pandora's Boxes in the center) starts thoroughly raiding my respawn (hives, I had nothing to go in with and not much time anyway), and I run to a promising direction in the desert, where I discover and take the Book of Earth. Nearby lie armor +4+4 and a shield +4 all.
121 – Broghild finishes off my hives – becomes 48 wyverns, takes a Dragon Utopia at my respawn – Titan's Sword, Book of Water, Boots of Speed. I take the armor, shield, give all the cool artifacts to my ally.
122 – Mariussa, having bought the army, runs into blue's territory for reconnaissance. Broghild picks up another streetlight for 4 in the desert and sits down to regenerate mana.
123 – Broghild shows up at green's respawn and destroys everything there – it seems they were on the fast track, but hitting a swamp dweller with 50 gr. wyverns, insane stats, +3 speed, and anti-magic is tough...
Thank you for the game.

Thank you! I don't think we can come up with anything here. The situation doesn't seem bad, but unfortunately, I don't see any ways to play it out and win either.

"Not a step back!" Albert@s (cyan, bog, Bro) + Wlk777 (green, dungeon, Shakti) def "Oelm team" Oelm (red, Conflux, Luna) + AlexTheGreat (tan, rampart, Mephala) JC 125

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P.S. For the future, in case of another matchup with the Vlk - Albert pair, please set us with those guys.

P.P.S. My apologies to Dima and Kostya for the new problems, but I cannot act otherwise.

the most scandalous tournament of the year :D
the 1st round hasn't even finished yet, and there's already as much drama as on HeroesWorld for an entire year, btw I can clearly feel that this won't be the last one :rolleyes: