Arbalester vs. Archer (Red Arbalester)

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Registered: 10/2/2006 3:06 PM UTC

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1/10/2007 6:41 AM UTC

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So, who is better? Personally, I think their effectiveness is assessed based on the situation. For example, a regular crossbowman is better when facing troops that move directly towards you (Precise Shot!:smile14:), while a Marksman is useful during a siege because no one emerges from behind the walls, and after the walls are breached, the Marksman attacks without penalty:smile28: But in my opinion, the Marksman is still better...

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1/10/2007 7:08 AM UTC

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I was just playing the 5th mission of the 1st campaign in Heroes 5, and I realized that having a large number of crossbowmen (100-200) is much more useful than having a single archer.

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1/10/2007 7:11 AM UTC

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Warlock;61064

I was just playing the 5th mission of the 1st campaign in Heroes 5, and I realized that a large number of archers (100-200) are much more useful than a single marksman...

Of course! There, you get very few of them! But I'm playing with the Modern Heaven mod, which replaces the standard Haven units with red counterparts, and when you have hundreds of marksmen, that's when you really understand how useful they are...:smile13: :smile35:

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1/10/2007 7:20 AM UTC

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To be honest, I never had archers in my army...

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1/10/2007 7:32 AM UTC

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To be honest, I never had archers in my army...

Install a mod and you'll have them!:smile20: :smile12: :smile03:

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1/10/2007 8:22 AM UTC

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Whether with or without the mod, retraining peasants into archers results in having so many of them that they perform exceptionally well on the battlefield.

В общем есть еще причины для оптимизма, как говорил умирающий от ран эльф при виде плывущего по реке трупа орка.

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1/10/2007 8:29 AM UTC

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:smile13: Arbalests are powerful!!! :smile13:

Damage ranges from 2-8. They inadvertently received a blessing, increasing the damage to 8-8!!! And let me tell you, that's quite a lot, especially when there are 200 of them, plus a direct hit from a short distance!

500 arbalests can kill 40 ents with a single shot!! (i.e., 12.5 arbalests take down an ent :) )

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1/10/2007 8:47 AM UTC

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Inquisitor;61079

:smile13: Arbalesters are powerful!!! :smile13:

They deal 2-8 damage. By chance, they already have a blessing, dealing 8-8 damage!!! And I tell you, that's a lot, especially when there are 200 of them, plus a direct hit from a short distance!

500 arbalesters kill 40 ents with one shot!! (i.e., 12.5 arbalesters take down an ent :) )

And archers are even better! And I repeat, especially during a siege and after breaking through the wall!:smile14:

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1/17/2007 2:48 PM UTC

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Yes, all the red-feathered ones are cooler, or maybe the Pashishtos. All except maybe the griffins. And if it's one on one, with 100 archers versus 100 shooters, the archers will win forever.

Open your eyes:cool:

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1/17/2007 2:51 PM UTC

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Well, all the red-feathered ones are cooler, or at least the Phoenixes. Except maybe for the Griffins. And if it's one-on-one, with 100 Archers versus 100 Marksmen, the Archers will win.

Thank goodness they aren't a full-fledged race!

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1/17/2007 2:55 PM UTC

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Well, all the red-feathered ones are cooler, or at least the Pashishtos. Except maybe the Griffins. And if it's one-on-one, 100 Arbalests versus 100 Archers, the Archers will always win.

So, there's another reason to install the modern_haven mod and replace the standard units with the red ones! ;)

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1/17/2007 5:28 PM UTC

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Phoenix666;62950

Well, all the red-feathered ones are cooler, or maybe the Pustishto ones are.

That's all slander. You need to know how to use regular troops. Simple Haven units are geared towards defense, while the outcasts are geared towards attack.

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1/17/2007 5:37 PM UTC

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He-he:)
Archers are the embodiment of Snipers.
We're waiting for a hero who specializes in archery:)
+ in the 3rd campaign, you can control them.

"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ

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1/17/2007 6:41 PM UTC

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Inquisitor;63028

That's all slander. You need to know how to use regular troops. Simple Haven units are geared towards defense, while the Dungeon units are geared towards attack.

Well, attack is cooler, and many people think so, and even Nival thinks so, as evidenced by the fact that they made Stone Skin and Smite different levels.

Open your eyes:cool:

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1/17/2007 6:57 PM UTC

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Ideally, it should be possible to choose between regular or red upgrades even before the start of the map, in the city selection menu. For example, in addition to Haven, there could be an option to choose something like Rampart of the Red Church... I don't know if this will be implemented in Nival or at least in a mod, but I would really like to play regular versus red with a friend on Hotseat:smile08:

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