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As an option, you could use a pre-prepared save file to eliminate imbalances in smaller maps and avoid restarts.
I think this format is quite suitable for that – it's not a tournament game after all.

The interest from a sufficiently large audience could attract the final of some major offline tournament or World Championship, similar to what Sticky organized.

Provided that you can't see the World Championship final between AtG and FireToSky, for example, anywhere else, in a live broadcast with commentary from, say, Psycha or Mike from goodgame – in this case, I might be willing to pay a certain amount.

But in the case of fan games, even if they involve strong players, but are specifically organized for the purpose of making money, where there is practically no suspense – in my opinion, the probability that people will pay for this is zero, especially when there is SC2TV, Twitch, and so many regular streams from Heroes players.

+ it is also necessary to think about the expenses – paying for the creation of the website, paying for its rental and support, paying the players (or will they play for free, knowing that the organizer will make money from the broadcasts of their games?)
Дурман мирской любви сильнее яда кобры, он глупым может сделать мудреца и увести от цели благородной и дух и волю война храбреца.
"Неизвестная история человечества. Запрещенная археология (с иллюстрациями), Майкл Кремо, Ричард Томпсон,479с,1.46 Мб.
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You're making it too complicated... if there are 10 people willing to contribute 100 rupees each to the prize pool for a Vasya vs. Petya game, what could stop them? This can even be done quickly, without any special software or other measures. That's why this topic was created, to gauge interest. It's already clear that there is interest, so it will probably be implemented in some form. And profitability will become clear in the process... in any case, we don't lose anything...
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You're making it too complicated... if there are 10 people willing to contribute 100 rupees each to the prize pool for a Vasya vs. Petya game, what could stop them? You can even do it quickly, without any special software or other measures.

That's why this topic was created, to gauge interest.

It's already clear that there is interest, so it will probably be implemented in some form. And the profitability will become clear in the process... in any case, we don't lose anything...

if you want to establish commercial streams on a regular basis, you will inevitably have to face the pitfalls described above, and you should also remember to shut down SC2TV and Twitch and introduce a monopoly on streams.

Good luck to you :)
Дурман мирской любви сильнее яда кобры, он глупым может сделать мудреца и увести от цели благородной и дух и волю война храбреца.
"Неизвестная история человечества. Запрещенная археология (с иллюстрациями), Майкл Кремо, Ричард Томпсон,479с,1.46 Мб.
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Why eliminate them when they occupy a slightly different niche? In general, they shouldn't interfere with each other.
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As for fan games, even if they feature strong players and are specifically organized for the purpose of making money, where there is practically no intrigue, the likelihood that people will pay for it is, in my opinion, zero, especially when there's SC2TV, Twitch, and so many regular streams from Heroes players.
Yeah. Nobody goes to figure skating exhibitions... By the way, I already have an idea for a match: Cobra vs. Alex...
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By the way, a 2v2 tournament is coming up soon. Very strong teams will be participating, and it will be quite a spectacle. The game time is fixed (Saturday), and the game will be played until the very end (almost 100% completion). Therefore, we can consider selling tickets. I think it will be a sell-out.

Let's come up with a system for transferring money.
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And what’s the problem with giving a free transfer? It’s a tournament, you’ll be playing anyway. Is it about player motivation? Then why register at all if you’ve lost motivation in the game? I understand if it’s a show match, where the audience decides who plays and with what, but otherwise…
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The idea is quite interesting, but it needs to be well-thought-out. For example, the final match of the World Championship between Marette and Neo, which will likely start next week, could attract a large audience.
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What's the problem with giving a free transfer? It's a tournament, you'll be playing anyway. Is it about player motivation? Then why register at all if you've lost motivation in the game? I understand if it's a show match, where the audience decides who plays and with what, but otherwise...
The problem is that they're suggesting turning this into a spectacle. Generally, people pay for entertainment. Moreover, this whole thing will be managed by a specific team. Stop expecting everything for free; we're in a different system now – we have a market economy.
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The problem is that they're suggesting turning this into a spectacle. Generally, people pay for spectacles. Moreover, we're talking about a team that will maintain and operate all of this. Stop expecting things for free; we're not in that kind of system anymore – we have a market economy.
Why should I stop? I'll go watch a creature or an amila, turn on the Maretti viewer, look at a homunculus, or a pita. Why should I stop?
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Why give up freebies? Well, I don't even know what to say to that...
I hope you still understand the difference between a regular game and a show match with commentary (even from someone as enthusiastic as me). And I hope you understand that there are people who are used to paying for the entertainment they enjoy, and that paying for tickets is a way to support the people who create that entertainment. Of course, there are also those who are used to watching football exclusively for free, concerts exclusively in recordings online, also for free, and so on. This phenomenon, by the way, has a very specific definition in nature...
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Personally, I don't mind spending 100 rubles to encourage players to give their all and put on a good show. I'd watch the show and listen to the commentary. I'd even be willing to act as a commentator myself, or just support the players. On SC2TV, there's an option to support the streamer. It's the same here, just in a different format. Moreover, the quality of the game will be higher due to the increased motivation.
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I watch those who do it for fun, who get a kick and enjoyment out of it. For those who aren't going to sell hot air. With that approach, the presentation is completely different. And it seems that you're tired of the game.
If I like a streamer, I'll donate money to them or help them in some way. When streaming was less developed, I received several messages every week from people asking me to teach them how to stream – I never refused anyone, but maybe I should have charged for it? I would have been rich :peka:
It's better not to talk about free tickets for real-life events at all; you absolutely don't know anything about me, so it's just baseless claims.
I'm willing to pay for quality content, not for a lagging webcam, a crackling microphone, and a stream with 10 FPS.
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Why should I break the habit? I'll go watch some creature or Amila, turn on the Maretti viewer, Homunculus, PITA. Why break the habit?

Now Merlin will sign contracts with everyone, and only Sevvensan will be free. What will you do then?

But in general, it's a good idea. I often turn on someone's stream. I don't have enough patience for long, but I regularly watch for a few turns. And then I think, "Why did I even watch this? What is this nonsense?" As a result, I waste time without any benefit. But if they start charging money for streams, then I will definitely be able to stop watching them.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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the issue boils down to these questions: will the trial version appeal to people or not?
and will there be a second version, either available for free or as a paid option?

for me, the difference between this "commercial project" and free broadcasts lies in the fact that the person/commentator is already at work and receives money for their work (and possibly other benefits). If I genuinely enjoy it and it offers something unique compared to regular broadcasts (which can also be interesting), then why not pay a reasonable fee? It's like watching Terminator 2 without sound (everyone already knows what it's about) versus watching T2 with a Goblin-dubbed translation – it's something like that. The only way to know is to try it out and see if the commentator can entice me to tune in to future broadcasts.
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