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Posts from 7th Interportal Tournament of HMM3-OFF: "Earth Magic"
Dirty_Player and Sir Sub-Zero, thank you for the interesting tournament!
I wonder if there will be a next series of tournaments? Like "Ring of Sulfur" or "Ring of Precious Stones"?
AmberSoler
13 years ago
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Chingis
I didn't know that a single Gorgon could destroy a Rust Monster in 3 turns.
Not a Rust Monster in three turns, but three Rust Monsters in three turns. One Gorgon cannot destroy more than one unit. And in general, the maximum number of units that, in addition to direct damage, a stack of N Gorgons can destroy, is equal to [(N-1)/10+1], rounded down.
New players will be completely confused by these cows. I'll try to explain the tactic for this kind of battle, as I understand it. In the first round, you need to time it so that the gorgon's ability is guaranteed to activate. The effect is achieved through trial and error (a corresponding save is prepared). In the second and third rounds, with about the ninety-ninth attempt, the ability will activate two more times in a row. To ensure the repeatability of the battle from the 25th attempt, a "timer" program is used, which is launched on a virtual machine. The timer allows you to stop the moment, which is great because the ability activates at that moment. The use of this program is a nuance that I don't understand, but I accept. On the one hand, you can spend two hundred hours in virtual battles and suggest that the host do the same. This is one extreme. You can write a program that does everything for you and provides the final save. This is the other extreme. Choosing a middle ground that would satisfy everyone is very difficult, almost impossible.
Военное дело просто и вполне доступно здравому уму человека. Но воевать сложно.
Sub-Zero
13 years ago
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You'll only confuse things further now. :)
No programs are used, or they are used at your own risk, because if the host cannot repeat the battle "manually," the result will not be counted.
Also, in this battle, the gaze of the Gorgons may work not three times in a row, but three times out of four or even five attempts (and in the case of a counterattack, six).
Ivanhoj
13 years ago
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Three times out of five? It feels like there's some terrible secret hidden here. I tried to repeat this battle. The ability triggered on the 15th attempt the first time. Two times in a row will take at least 60 attempts. Three times in a row – definitely more than 100. What's the point of this atmosphere of mystery? If there is a pattern and it's not random, why can't everyone know about it?
Военное дело просто и вполне доступно здравому уму человека. Но воевать сложно.
iceTiTaN
13 years ago
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I agree.
Ivanhoj
13 years ago
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I realized it won't be like this: I started a battle, and on the 3rd turn, the gorgon killed 3 rusty units? And to achieve a result, do I need to use the battle repeatedly, i.e., replay it 50-100 times? In short, is there a chance to achieve a result in 100 attempts?
If the probability of the ability triggering is 10%, then the probability of it triggering twice is 1%, and three times is 0.1%. That is, by simply repeating the battle, we achieve a result after 1000 attempts. But, let's assume that there is a hidden pattern that, if known, can increase the probability of the ability triggering from 10% to 50-90%. For example, the unicorn needs to move to a specific cell. Then, not always, but usually, the ability will trigger. Doubtful, but let's assume. In this case, yes, it might be possible to achieve the result in 5-6 attempts.
2. The topic on hp is called "Tournament "Knight's Crusade" - a JOINT tournament of HeroesPortal and HeroesWorld!!!"
Военное дело просто и вполне доступно здравому уму человека. Но воевать сложно.
iceTiTaN
13 years ago
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I replayed this battle. After about 150+ attempts.
Ivanhoj
13 years ago
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Chingis
Ivanhoj, thank you for the answers!
1000 attempts is not that many. You might as well not even try. And did you repeat this battle yourself? And I wonder if the hosts repeated it?:)
I haven't, but the hosts probably know something that we don't.
Военное дело просто и вполне доступно здравому уму человека. Но воевать сложно.
If the chance of an ability triggering is 10%, then the chance of it triggering twice is 1%, and three times is 0.1%. In other words, by simply repeating the battle, we achieve the result after 1000 attempts.
That's correct, but this is the probability for 3 out of 3 triggers. If we take our case, we have about 5-6 hits = attempts. Let's look at the battle process itself. We start the battle and complete the first round. If Death Gaze doesn't trigger in the first round, we immediately exit the battle and try again. This way, we only consider the cases where Death Gaze triggered in the first round. And then, for the remaining 4-5 hits, we need 2 triggers, in any rounds. The probability of this event is quite high, around 6%.
Ivanhoj
13 years ago
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A machine gun is a ballista with a carriage; it has virtually unlimited ammunition. You can defeat legions of Trolls with just one Fairy and a machine gun.
It takes 4-5 hits because the ability can theoretically activate in the fourth and fifth rounds. However, on the second turn, on this specific map, it is impossible to conduct such a battle, in my opinion. The Rust Monsters destroy 2 of our units each round. Therefore, in the 4th round, only the Gorgon will remain, and the Rust Monsters will make the first attack.
Военное дело просто и вполне доступно здравому уму человека. Но воевать сложно.
The Rust monsters kill 2 of our units each round. Therefore, on round 4, only the Gorgon will remain, and the Rust monsters will have the first attack.
Think before you write. It's specifically designed so that 2 Rust monsters can't kill a Knight with a single attack in round 2. Therefore, there will be more rounds, and that's why it's so important that the Stare ability works in the first round.
Ivanhoj
13 years ago
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Yes, that's correct. Now the scheme is clear. I would only add the following to the rules: "exiting a battle does not count as replaying the battle." Otherwise, it took me 20 attempts just to get the first glimpse. And I still need to catch it twice more.
Added 2 hours 36 minutes ago iceTiTaN
I repeated this battle. It took about 150+ attempts.
That's correct. (10% x 10% x 10%) * n, where n = 6, gives 150+ attempts. If we discard the first attempt, we have a 6% probability, and then it fits within 25.
Военное дело просто и вполне доступно здравому уму человека. Но воевать сложно.
iceTiTaN
13 years ago
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for now) take a half-year break) and come back!
Dirty_Player
13 years ago
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What, for example, is the difference between chess or poker and Heroes? In chess, you need to learn a lot to achieve good results, believe me.