7th Interportal Tournament of HMM3-OFF: "Earth Magic" — Tournament history (offline)

Dirty_Player

14 years ago

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iceTiTaN

Dirty_Player, are you participating? Or just judging?
I'd like you to participate too!

I'll think about it. Maybe I'll play just to ensure we have enough participants. I enjoy solving mysteries, but when everything is already known, it's not as interesting.

Marmot

14 years ago

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Finished my second playthrough. Of course, it was better than the first (not just in terms of days, but also in actions and tactics). This time, I made detailed notes of my actions for each day: I'll forget the details in a month.
Okay, fine, I'll join the participants too ("if I don't win, at least I'll have fun!":D). I won't send the save file yet: what if I want to improve the result? (but later, I'll rest a bit:)).
Of course, I don't claim to be among the winners; for me, participation is more important than winning, but, of course, I'd like to be at least not last.:)
By the way, if it's not a secret: how many participants have already signed up? And will the information about the number of accepted final save files be updated regularly in the first post?

Sadness

14 years ago

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iceTiTaN, firstly, read his information carefully, or rather, his signature. Secondly, what's the point of the map creator playing their own map for speed? The probability that they will play it worse than anyone else is around 3%. I don't think there will be so many skilled players in the tournament that they could beat the record (if it exists, of course) of the creator.

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Dirty_Player

14 years ago

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Marmot

By the way, if it's not a secret: how many participants have already signed up? And will the information about the number of accepted final save files be updated regularly in the first post?

Well, information about who has signed up and who hasn't doesn't reflect reality. Someone might sign up but not play, and someone might do the opposite. Mostly, all the strong save files are submitted in the last hours of the tournament. The information will be updated as save files are received.

Vaflya

Secondly, what's the point of the map creator playing their own map for speed? The probability that they will play it worse than anyone else is around 3%. I don't think there will be so many skilled players in the tournament that they can beat the record (if it exists, of course) of the creator.

In reality, the author's advantage on the map is minimal. Any normal player, after an hour of scouting, will know the same things that I do. It's just that someone has to find what I already know :)

Gomunguls

14 years ago

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I'm signing up! 499978341 Let's play!

zoog

14 years ago

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Dirty_Player

I enjoy unraveling mysteries, but once everything is already known, the interest fades.

I wonder how this relates to offline gameplay, where it's common to meticulously plan a map in the editor.

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Ivanhoj

14 years ago

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Tootsie Pie

It's interesting how this works with offline play, where it's common to meticulously create a map in the editor.

It's roughly the same as the different colored squares of a Rubik's Cube, along with the formulas that allow you to arrange them.

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Dirty_Player

14 years ago

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Chingis

Questions about the tournament.

1. The rules state: "2. The tournament is held on Heroes 3 The Shadow of Death version with patch 3.2 or 4.0."
What if I complete the starting save for a result in the "Complete Collection" interface? Will there be any difference for the result to be counted?

2. And if I send the save tomorrow. And in a week I will improve significantly.
Can I send the save again, and will the previous save be canceled?

Complete Collection is version 4.0, so everything is fine.
In general, only one save is accepted, but if someone improves the result, the organizers usually go to meet them and accept it. Ideally, of course, do everything as it should be first, and then send the saves. There is plenty of time until September 9th.

Chingis

Another question.
Everyone is registering and calling out some numbers.

What are these numbers?

And is it enough to just send the save with a letter describing the walkthrough and a nickname that matches the save?

These are ICQ numbers. Online players do this out of habit. It is enough to send a letter with the save.

Tootsie Pie

It is interesting how this relates to offline mode, where it is customary to first carefully edit the map in the editor...

Well, that's where the interest lies, finding what you need... whether in the editor or with cheat codes, but showing the optimal result.

Especially for everyone who is participating in the tournament for the first time: CAREFULLY STUDY THE RULES AND RESTRICTIONS.

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iceTiTaN

14 years ago

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Dirty_Player

I'll think about it. Maybe I'll play just to reach the quorum. I enjoy solving mysteries, but when everything is already known, the interest fades.

Still, play. I'll try to give you some competition :)

Vaflya

iceTiTaN, first, read his information carefully, or rather, his signature. Second, what's the point of the map creator playing their own map for speed? The probability that they will play it worse than anyone else is about 3%. I don't think there will be so many skilled players in the tournament to beat the record (if it exists, of course) of the creator.

I don't argue, if you play once, the probability is definitely no more than 3%. But when a good player plays 3-4 times, the chances will be almost equal. I think that if Dirty_Player plays, the result will be the same. The whole struggle will be for the stats.

Just knowing the map and executing the playthrough in reality are two completely different things!
For example, this month, a tournament was held http://www.heroesportal.net/tavern/?id=109533&pagenum=61&nocache=1344689440#m373401 and the map creator showed a result of 15 days, although he is a pretty good player and a monster at creating maps. And I showed a result of 9 days.

Eldgernon

14 years ago

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Chingis

2. And if I say, I'll send the save tomorrow. And in a week, I'll improve significantly.
Will it be possible to send the save again, and cancel the previous save?

iceTITaN

Can I send an improved save again?

Explain, why send the save right away? It's August. Let it sit until September. If you manage to improve it, you can send a new one. If not, you can find the very first one. Or will it get lost in the meantime?:smile07:

iceTiTaN

14 years ago

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The thing is, I might have to leave for 1-2 weeks at any moment, going to a place with no civilization, and I simply won't be able to send the save file at the right time. I'm leaving around August 22nd, and I don't know for how long; maybe I won't be back until mid-September?

zoog

14 years ago

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How do you actually use codes so that the game doesn't complain later? I tried to test it once – I loaded a clean game, entered the code, immediately killed the process, loaded the same game again, finished it – and it said "cheater." (Just finished a map – it was interesting, I liked it), and the result for the day was worse than the calculated minimum, but you can't even send such a save for the campaign. I tried running a second copy of the game in a virtual machine, which helped, but copying saves dozens of times was incredibly tedious.

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Dirty_Player

14 years ago

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Tootsie Pie

Just finished playing a map (it was interesting, I liked it).

Thank you for the kind words. Some people use a second copy of the game for cheating. They say it's very convenient. I do it like this: 1. Save. 2. Use a cheat (through the debug menu, of course). 3. Restart Heroes. 4. Load.