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Offline rebellious
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Yes, indeed, team tournaments cannot have 1v1 matches. However, you can create mixed pairs randomly, based on a pre-arranged alliance, or by pairing weak and strong players, using all possible variations. For example, the first tournament could be a trial run to determine the best paired player and the best team. In subsequent tournaments, you can already use the existing ranking table with a draft. The biggest problem in such games will be the connection and, of course, time (its availability and time zone). Jebus can play a game in 7-8 hours, lasting 4 minutes.
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Offline R55Max
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When Brazil and Argentina play football 11 on 11, it's a team play. When 11 pairs from both sides play a 1-on-1 game, it's not team play. I don't know how else to get my point across to you.

It would have been easier to just say that single-player games don't belong in an organized tournament.
But on that portal, there's an objective ranking that players can't ignore, but here...

Here, we need to popularize it. And if you always play with the same player, you might improve your understanding, but there won't be new pairs, so you need to learn to be more professional – create new pairs. There won't be a massive influx of new paired players! Because Heroes is primarily a single-player game, so you need to create pairs yourself and not wait for them to appear out of nowhere, including by sacrificing some of your own desires. What's the point if, for example, you, the person trying to organize a paired tournament, aren't willing to play with another opponent? What kind of popularization of paired games are we even talking about then?
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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It would have been easier to say right away that single-player games don't belong in an organized tournament.
You, the person who is trying to organize a team tournament, are not ready to play with another opponent.
Hey, hold on, hold on. I'm not trying to do anything yet, and this is just a debate. And in general, I want to pass the entire organization on to Pete :smile04:
What kind of promotion of team games are we talking about then?
I don't even want to promote them. I just want to play a 2v2 tournament. That's all.

And the fact that someone is not ready to play with another person is a completely normal situation. And the fact that some teams won't switch is also normal.

In short, in my opinion, when there's 1 team game + 2 single-player games, it's fine, but when there's 1 team game + 4 single-player games, it's not fine because the value of the team game is greatly diminished, and that's where, in my opinion, all the fun lies. So, the format where 2 people play a team game and 2 play single-player games is the best.
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Offline R55Max
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and honestly, I want to pass the entire organization on to Pete.
He's probably already happy about it :D
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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I’m probably one of the few who participated in a similar tournament and know how difficult it is to find a common time, a common version, establish a connection, and then adjust the rules to suit everyone.
1v1 matches should be discarded immediately. They are unnecessary and will sink the tournament, which will likely sink on its own anyway. And it’s better to form teams based on having common free time, a stable connection, and simply good relationships, rather than based on some kind of rating.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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Honestly, I want to pass the entire organization on to Pete. :smile04:
I thought I had already delegated everything to you. :smile28:
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The topic is relevant if you are playing on the Warlords version.
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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Satyr, it should be noted that the first tournament was played, and almost on time, which is a real MIRACLE. If played from a single save, I think it will be interesting enough for people to play.
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Satyr, it should be noted that the first tournament was played, and almost on time, which is a real MIRACLE.

Yes, but firstly: there were only 2 groups of 4 teams, and secondly: a significant number of matches were not played.

And remembering all the arguments about the rules, then the connection problems, etc., I am 80% sure that I will not participate in this tournament, unless an organizer is found, although I think that the 2v2 game is fresh and interesting.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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Satir, there were 5 teams, and only your team didn't achieve anything significant.
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Satyr
I'm probably one of the few who participated in a similar tournament and know how difficult it is to find a common time, a common version, establish a connection, and then adjust the rules to suit everyone.
1v1 matches should be discarded immediately. They are unnecessary and will sink the tournament, which will likely sink on its own. And it's better to form teams based on having common free time, a stable connection, and simply good relationships, rather than based on some kind of rating.
I have experience participating in a 2v2 tournament for Civilization III (also a turn-based strategy game). Very similar problems.
Of course, it's better to play in a team with a friend. It's about communication via Skype, joint decisions, different interactions, tricks, and the need for mutual understanding.
Connection is important; you can't play with a too slow internet connection or with frequent disconnections.
Time is a big factor; it's difficult to find 5 hours for four people to play simultaneously, and it's almost impossible to finish a postponed game. Therefore, it is necessary to allow substitutions of the main team without prior registration.
It would be very helpful to have simultaneous play during the first week.
The organizer should be given the right to prohibit the creation of a pair of masters, as a team that is too strong will kill the intrigue.
In general, playing in a team is about communication and a lot of positive emotions!
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Offline c0nn3c71nkK.ppL
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what if we based it on a rating system, like in tennis, for example? i.e.: 1. Ratings are only awarded for tournament games. 2. Create a kind of tournament calendar, with approximately 2-3 tournaments running at the same time. Positive aspects: players' skills will be assessed more objectively, motivation to play will increase, and there will be more respect for the rating. Negative aspects can be addressed, including allowing a player who cannot continue a tournament to be replaced by another player at any stage, subject to certain conditions or a penalty, or in many other ways. In general, I hope I was able to convey the idea, and the rest can be refined. This system seems more promising, convenient, and logical to me, which could attract the attention of other resources and even, God forbid, centralize all Heroes players on HW and organize a full-fledged World Championship (well, that's the ultimate goal =)).
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Played in a 2v2 tournament. It was very interesting. To ensure the tournament took place, the organizer set a fixed time for each match. If one of the teams didn't show up, it was considered a technical loss. Once, I was late, and Lebron had to play 1v2, but he managed to win anyway :)
According to some, the best option is to use the "War of the Titans" map. A script that allows for manual adjustment of alliances solves the problem.
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I played in a 2v2 tournament. It was very interesting. To ensure the tournament took place, the organizer set a fixed time for the game. If one of the teams didn't show up, they would forfeit. Once, I was late, and Lebron had to play 1v2, but he managed to win :)
According to some, the best mode is Warlord Tactics (WT). A script for manually adjusting alliances solves the problem.
I'm currently playing almost exclusively 2v2 games on the Grand Tournament (GR) map. Other game modes and tournaments are less interesting, plus no one will accuse you of cheating :)
I remember playing with Lebron in a 2v2 tournament when he was still a newbie in Heroes - it was great to play and share experience.
Therefore, I would suggest pairing up: one experienced player and one beginner.
Regarding the time limit, don't listen to Rebellius - 4 minutes is crazy. :smile11:
It should be 2 minutes, although I prefer 1 minute - but at that speed, few people can move the mouse quickly enough.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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captain, 4 minutes is fine, everything else is either less or more – it’s garbage, verified.
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