How to kill Black Dragons? — General

Dr Motor

1/21/2009 4:45 PM UTC

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Tralosk

If we have a small or medium map, then you're right, otherwise no. Besides, neutral mobs can be very important - for example, guarding a shield with protection from one of the magics, specifically with protection from enemy magic. Or the Supreme Crown of Sorcery, or at least the Lion's Shield of Courage (though Order gets the least benefit from it). Don't say that neutrals should be ignored and that you should rush to the enemy at full speed.

Did I say that neutrals should be ignored? I meant that by the fifth week the resp should already be as bald as a knee. And you say

you should have 30 genies, at least one titan

and then

If you're playing as Order, it means the enemy will find you himself)))

even more so. If he comes to you in the fifth week, and you have "at least one titan", will you have time for neutrals then?

and by the way, here's the subject in general terms:

the question is about clearing the Dragon Lord's neutrals as early as possible, for example a Dragon Utopia
with a standard number on expert - 10-15 Dragon Lord neutrals - how to kill them at an early stage of development, with what minimal army?
and when you already have an army, especially when the 4th level is built and grown, and the heroes are leveled, this doesn't cause any particular difficulties.

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Тралоск

1/21/2009 6:51 PM UTC

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If Haven hasn't built the titan dwelling and chose the path of djinns instead of nagas, and its hero isn't reaching level 15 and isn't a "bruiser with some magic knowledge" (for example, Expert Order, GM War Magic, GM Might - which is unlikely), then the answer to this question is even more specific. That answer is "no way". For fans of twisted Walkthroughs who still wish to kill a dozen CDs without nagas and fourth-tier creatures, there is an option: set a low difficulty level, buy several gallons of BP, and overwhelm the dragons with illusory golems (or dwarves - an option for complete perverts :))))))
And when playing on expert (and even more so on champion), there will be no money for gallons of BP; moreover, they might not pay off the trip to the Dragon Utopia, as there will be no money left to build the 4th level dwelling.
So, my final answer: either wait for titans and stop suffering, or forget about the Dragon Utopia, or play Equi and smash them with nagas - as you can see, plenty of choices :D :D :D :D :D

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Dr Motor

1/23/2009 1:19 AM UTC

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Tralosk

So, my final answer: either wait for the Titans and don't bother, or forget about the Utopians, or play as Equi and rush with Nagas – as you can see, there are many options :D :D :D :D :D

Nobody plays with Whirlwinds anymore.
Besides, I didn't say that you shouldn't build Titans; you should build them, but you need to do it on days 7-10, or at most 14, but definitely not "at least one Titan by the fifth week."

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Тралоск

1/23/2009 1:35 AM UTC

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I meant that one Titan is enough. In any case, the number of cloned Titans will exceed the number of original ones. As for the fifth week, the increase in Djinns (without Nobility) is six per week. For reliable destruction of the Dungeon, 30 Djinns are needed. The main striking force will be Illusions.
...I think we can conclude the discussion on the topic of "how Haven can defeat the Dungeon." The author of the topic suggested considering an option without the participation of level 4 creatures and with a weak hero.

Как можно сделать мутную воду прозрачной?
- Не трогай её, и она очистится сама. :smile04:

Мааг

7/25/2009 7:32 PM UTC

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I would stand between the dragons and attack them, and they would hit each other with fire.

Kjukecke

12/13/2011 3:52 AM UTC

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In multiplayer games, I usually killed dragons with a hero who had high combat skills and a large supply of potions of immortality. In principle, with this system, the number of dragons doesn't matter, as long as you have enough money for the potions and the hero is appropriately leveled up. This may seem like an extreme and expensive method, but if a hero deals 1 hit point of damage before dying, killing 10 dragons will cost 10,000. If the army consists of archers and mages, it's better to do it this way than to lose a lot of soldiers.

dnaop-wr

12/13/2011 10:16 AM UTC

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The math is incorrect. After the first attack (hero dies + is resurrected, and 1 creature from a group of 10 or more is killed), the hero might suffer a morale penalty. With that level of damage, the hero might not even have time to recover before dying permanently on the second attack.

Техника в руках индейца мертва.
Справочник по НоММ-4 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-heroes-iv.html

Памятка по НоММ-3 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii.html
и HotA http://handbookhmm.ru/vyishla-obnovlennaya-pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii-hota.html

Zybr

12/13/2011 10:25 AM UTC

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Fighters, fighters – that’s all old and boring. But when a GM in a life game, with only one magic skill, single-handedly defeats Utopia using just one potion – now that’s much more interesting.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

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CTPAHHuK

12/13/2011 4:20 PM UTC

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Zybr

Fighters, fighters – it’s all old and boring.
But when a GM life with only one magic skill branch, alone, with just one potion, defeats Utopia – that’s much more interesting :)

Is this like hiding in a corner with a charm, shield, regeneration, and other items? A Druid GM can also defeat Utopia with just one skill branch, summoning Phoenixes.

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Zybr

12/13/2011 4:23 PM UTC

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Is this like, putting them in a corner with a ward + regeneration + other buffs?

Yeah.

A Grand Master Druid can also take down a Utopia with just one skill tree, by summoning Phoenixes.

Yeah, although it's more complicated than with a Priest. You have to keep an eye on the distance between the creature and the hero.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

Kjukecke

12/14/2011 2:05 PM UTC

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Sorry, I read the thread and realized I answered a different question than the one that was asked. I had a problem with the Chaos Dragon in the campaign when I needed to kill 50-60 of them. Counterattack and potions of immortality solved the problem. Regarding the topic, I have nothing to add. The idea of using a Sanctuary and a Fortress made of soldiers is really cool.

Sinistar

1/14/2012 3:19 PM UTC

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Ideally, you need a ring with a large negative resistance – but those are quite rare... Otherwise, phoenixes, mantises (they will entangle and hold them for a long time), ogres (thanks to their strength and offspring), and vampires are good against black dragons. Paladins and barbarians with potions of immortality, and druids with protection spells are also effective. Haven will likely have to rely entirely on illusions from djinns.

Цвета ночи гранитные склоны,
Цвета крови сухая земля,
И янтарные очи дракона
Отражает кусок хрусталя -
Я сторожу этот клад...