Heroes 6 - Discussion — General

Werevolka

11/9/2011 7:57 AM UTC

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The funniest thing is that after the release of the fifth game, the same thing happened on the forum. It was almost word for word. Now, the fifth game has become a classic.

Zybr

11/9/2011 8:33 AM UTC

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Well, the fifth installment was also quite buggy at release. Overpowered necromancy, excessive training for knights, and numerous bugs.
Although the sixth game is even more unfinished. Perhaps by version 3.1, it might become something decent, but the skill system and magic are unlikely to change. And all sorts of useless things like dynasty bonuses, which are nothing more than silly fan service, are not suitable for online play.
I had the urge a couple of times to participate in the tournament organized by Amko, but I don't want to spend money on this raw version of the sixth game yet.

However, to completely dismiss the game, you still need to try it online.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

Андартан

11/9/2011 9:34 AM UTC

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The funniest thing is that after the release of the fifth game, the same thing happened on the forum. Word for word. Now the fifth game has become a classic.

Old-timers always do this – when the seventh game comes out, they embrace the sixth. That's their fate; they're always one step behind.

Zybr

11/9/2011 9:56 AM UTC

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That's always how it is with oldfags - when part 7 comes out, they embrace part 6. Such is their lot, always one step behind.

:D Of course, innovators are never understood! Especially when they deliver a product aimed purely at milking money from fans and lovers of pretty packaging. What is there to praise? For the idea? We could gather a legion of idea-driven masters just on HeroesWorld alone, no problem :)

I suspect the devs of part 6 poured all their effort and hard work into that plastic figurine of Archangel Michael :smile26:

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

Klivren

11/9/2011 10:39 AM UTC

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The game has found and will continue to find its players and fans, so don't worry ;) And we will take your opinion into account :)

Аксиома Коула: Общая сумма разума на планете - величина постоянная, а население растет...
Асха все обращает на пользу... :smile16:

In reply to Eleondor

Devolik

11/9/2011 11:39 AM UTC

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Eleondor

I installed it at the beginning of last month, played for exactly 2 days, deleted this garbage, and went back to the third and fifth games. The sixth part has unreal glitches, the plot is uninteresting, and the number of factions and units generally plunged me into despair...

As far as I remember, when the fifth game was released, there were also fewer armies, spells, and opponents, and I wouldn't say the plot was very interesting either. I played through the entire fifth game, both the Orcs and Dwarves campaigns, and I don't remember the plot. So, time will tell. For me, for example, the fourth game is complete garbage, but it still has its own players and fans. I think the sixth game won't be lacking in those either.

Андартан

11/9/2011 12:52 PM UTC

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Of course innovators are always misunderstood! Especially when they bring a product aimed at the most ordinary cash-grab from fans and lovers of pretty packaging. What is there to praise here? For the idea? We can gather a legion of ideological masters from HeroesWorld alone, no problem

There are suspicions that the developers of 6 poured all their efforts and hard work into a plastic statuette of Archangel Michael

there, this person has confirmed my words.
if you think that the third game was made "with soul, so that players would have a good time, and everything for the customer", then you clearly don't know the developers.

Zybr

11/9/2011 1:20 PM UTC

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If you think that the third installment was made "with heart, so that players would enjoy the game, and everything is for the customer," then you clearly don't know the developers.

Don't mix everything together. Of course, no one will give away the game for free later. But there is a big difference in HOW this game is made. Let's step away from Heroes and take, for example, The Witcher. Well, there's just a world of difference between the first and second parts. The first was made thoughtfully, you could say with heart, while the second largely succeeded thanks to the reputation of the first part. In essence, the second part is no longer a masterpiece like the first, but just an ordinary mediocre RPG, where the only major plus is the beautiful graphics.

The same thing happened with the sixth installment. The fifth installment wasn't a masterpiece either, but it was polished to a good level, and it became popular. And then the sixth installment comes out, bursting with gift, collector's, and other versions, literally shouting about all sorts of goodies in the form of albums, models, and other nonsense.
But what's inside? Everywhere you look, there are bugs. And serious ones, as if they gave us version 0.99 and said, "Here, play it and then tell us what's bad, and we might fix it."
Why release a beta version then? Why organize some kind of testing? But obvious things remained. Why? Because people are already hyped up by the bright pictures and will buy it anyway! Why bother?

The game has found and will continue to find its players and fans, don't worry ;)

Otherwise, it would have completely failed. But for now, it's still afloat.
No, there are, of course, some pluses. Sanctuary is beautifully made, taking cover behind obstacles gives a bonus to defense, and you can bash the gates again.
There are also controversial moments, such as constant attacks on multiple stacks at once, as if they are all cyclops from the fifth installment, an unclear tactical arrangement of troops (if there is no skill), a bunch of abilities for each creature, etc. There is still something to look at, but this "something" still cannot outweigh all the obvious objective flaws of the game.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

Андартан

11/9/2011 3:58 PM UTC

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The fifth installment wasn't a masterpiece, of course, but they improved it to a decent level, and it became quite popular.

But what's inside? Everywhere you look, there are just bugs.

You contradict yourselves and provide the answer yourselves about what will happen next.

like constant attacks on multiple stacks at once.

I wonder who?

tons of abilities for each creature, etc.

Is this probably the worst thing, as I understand it?

Zybr

11/9/2011 4:17 PM UTC

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this is probably the worst, as I understand it?

Arguing for the sake of arguing? I don't think I said it was a negative. I just said it's a matter of personal preference.

interesting, who?

each unit, I already wrote...

you contradict yourselves and have already given the answer to what will happen next

Not at all. If you don't understand the subject, then: despite the bugs, it was still possible to play Heroes 5. It wasn't as noticeable.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

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Wistrit

11/9/2011 4:20 PM UTC

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The only “bugs” that existed there were related to infinite Necromancer training, the rest were so minor that they weren’t even worth mentioning.

Tomorrow holds no promises
Except the ones we've made

Андартан

11/9/2011 5:06 PM UTC

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Arguing for the sake of arguing? I don't think I said it was a negative.

There are some debatable points.

A ton of abilities for each creature.

I'm talking about this.

Each unit, I wrote it...

Either you've messed something up, or I haven't understood you correctly; no one is wiping out several stacks at once.

Not at all. If you don't understand the subject, then: despite the bugs, it was still possible to play the 5th installment. It wasn't as noticeable.

When the 7th installment comes out, then the issues in the 6th won't be as noticeable either; I'm sure of it.

Zybr

11/9/2011 5:15 PM UTC

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The only "bugs" that existed there were related to infinite Necromancer training, the rest were so minor that they weren't even worth mentioning.

I also don't remember anything like that.

I'm talking about this.

Well, I called it a subjective point – some people like it, and some don't.

Either you did something wrong, or I didn't understand you correctly; no one attacks multiple stacks at once.

In most cases, adjacent stacks are affected when I attack.

Барон "Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!

Klivren

11/9/2011 5:16 PM UTC

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I'll say this in defense of the AI: it's very weak in this game, and that's its biggest flaw. For example, due to its own stupidity, it allowed the AI to capture a castle, and it developed it and teleported away, leaving only a small defense in the castle, and that's a level of development that I wouldn't have had the resources for. It's a shame you can't thank the AI.

Аксиома Коула: Общая сумма разума на планете - величина постоянная, а население растет...
Асха все обращает на пользу... :smile16: