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Many monsters practice magic, remember the illithids.
First, illithids are not monsters. Second, they clearly represent an intelligent humanoid race, at least judging by their elaborate clothing.
Or the beholder.
They are quite stupid, actually. And only a few of them know magic, and even then, it's not certain that it's not "innate," similar to the abilities of Sorceresses.
Well, naturally, in relation to Kha-Beleth, as a bright and extraordinary entity.
Like a clown, or something?


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But in the case of Railag, who first broke away from the rule of one, all-powerful Overlord (six princes are six princes; in an internecine war, it is often not the one who was initially one of the leaders who wins), then won a similar internecine war, taking advantage of one of the weakest dark elf Clans, and then outsmarted (though not without the help of other heroes) the leader of the strongest of the existing alliances on his own turf.
Well, several factors played a role for Railag:
1) The knowledge he gained during his service to the Overlord, and especially as his right-hand man, gave him a significant advantage over the other dark elf rulers.
2) He almost died when he refused to serve Kha-Beleth. He was saved only by a miraculously found heart.
3) He heavily relied on the support of Tieru, and one of the strongest demonesses helped him.
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Stalin, firstly, is not particularly charismatic, in my opinion, but even if he was, he only intimidated those who held some power. All other Soviet people fought for an idea, not because they were afraid of concentration camps.
Ordinary officials and NKVD officers had no power, but they were among the main targets of Stalin's repressions. Saying "all the others" is an exaggeration. This was a country where half the population lived in collective farms and starved, but dared not even squeak.
The Overlord was originally just a simple demon, not some "overpowered demon lord." He gathered followers around him, staged a coup, eliminating six demon princes, and came to power in Sheol. This is the canonical story. So, he turned out to be a strong leader.
These six princes died in battles, and only Kha-Beleth remained. He became the Overlord, overthrowing Mal-Belet and establishing an absolute monarchy in Sheol. He prevented the demons from descending into civil war, and given the nature of demons, this was quite possible: when six senior chaos princes died, and only the younger ones, who had long been denied power and were even hungry for it, remained.
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Where did you see humanoids in them? You might as well classify chimpanzees as humanoids.
Imagine, an illithid is a humanoid body taken over by a larva, according to the lore. Discuss?
A newfangled point of view.
More like the point of view of someone familiar with DnD.


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That's how he became the Lord, overthrowing Mal-Beleth and establishing an absolute monarchy in Shio. He prevented the demons from descending into civil war, and considering the nature of demons, this was quite possible, especially since six of the elder chaos lords perished, leaving only the younger ones, who were once deprived of power.
Mal-Beleth is the same as Kha-Beleth. According to Ubisoft themselves.
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Mал-Belekh is Kha-Belekh. According to Ubisoft themselves.
I don't think so. Mal-Belet was the first Overlord. I'm not entirely sure.
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In my opinion, no. Mal-Beleth is the first Overlord. I'm not entirely sure.
Ubisoft was asked, "Who are Ilat and Mal-Beleth? Are they related to Silat and Kha-Beleth?" They replied that "Different cultures have different versions of the names, hence the difference."

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Are you going to deny that this larva is controlled by a higher intelligence?
The larva becomes part of the body; without it, it will gradually develop into a dim-witted monster.
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Ubisoft was asked, "Who are Ilat and Mal-Belekh? Are they related to Silat and Kha-Belekh?" They replied that "Different cultures have different versions of names, hence the difference."
What's the difference? Either way, instead of six overlords, there's now only one.
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It doesn't matter what he looks like; what matters are the ideas and the game mechanics themselves. And Kha-Belekh turned out to be quite good, a true representative of Urgash.
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Instead of Isabel, he put Biara in her place. And in doing so, he struck at the enemy's weak spot.
Yes, but at the same time, Railag was calmly taking advantage of her, while Biara was causing trouble in the guise of Isabel.
In general, it's not very clear how the real Isabel was able to calmly leave with Railag, and how these slowpokes managed to take Biara with them. Unless, I have a version in which, while everyone was sleeping, Railag suggested that Isabel leave the group, and when they left, Biara took the opportunity and took the place of the real queen. But in that case, luck prevails, rather than the charisma and coolness of this very ruler.

And still, no matter how you look at it, the most awesome of all the characters is Markel. Yes, he was lucky in the sense that such a disaster happened in the kingdom, the king died, and a stupid necromancer took the throne, but the way he took advantage of all this is simply amazing. Although it's a pity for the old man, because in the end he was still defeated by the forces of the beaver. However, as I think, if such a situation were real, he wouldn't have given in so easily. So, no matter what anyone says, Railag and even this Kha-Belekh of yours are quietly taking a backseat to the cunning necromancer.

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And yes, in my opinion, Kha-Belekh looks quite normal, but it's all a matter of taste. So I don't think it's worth continuing this discussion, because in the end everyone will be right for themselves.
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Yes, what started as a simple discussion turned into a real scientific and philosophical debate :D. I'm even glad that Neyra Drake brought up Markel in the conversation. Personally, I find him much more likable as a person. And it seemed to me that this is what is called charisma. And Kha-Belekh is powerful, I don't argue. But I find this character completely unpleasant.
because in the end, everyone will still be right for themselves.
Amen :).
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Yeah, quite the scientific approach... (#269).
Honestly, it's not very clear how the real Isabel managed to quietly leave with Raelag, and how these slowpokes managed to bring Biara with them. Unless, I have a theory where, while everyone was asleep, Raelag suggested that Isabel leave the group, and when they left, Biara took the opportunity and took the place of the real queen. But in that case, luck plays a bigger role than charisma and the awesomeness of this particular ruler.
Why, though? Raelag was given Isabel, and these three were given Biara. But how exactly, is unknown.
Markel is a good guy, though. However, it's hard to call him charismatic. Only the heartbroken Isabel believed him.
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But why? They gave Isabel to Railagu, and these three were given Biara. But how exactly, is unknown.
So, my version might be correct. Although, maybe there's more specific information somewhere, but I don't really care.
Markel, yes, he's a good guy. However, it's hard to call him charismatic. Only the heartbroken Isabel believed him.
And so what? The main thing is that the queen believed him, which allowed him to put his plan into action. And his path wasn't that easy either. So, this very Kha-Belekh, who spent the entire story sitting in prison and lost on his own territory, couldn't even compare to Markel, who, in general, only lost due to the will of the authors.
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Markel lost because he usurped power and turned all Seven Cities of the Academy, Irollan, and half of the Griffin Empire against him, not to mention that he was also at war with demons. He couldn't possibly win! He's a fool, even though he came to power in such an unusual way.
So what? The main thing is that the queen believed him, which allowed him to put his plan into action.
The queen, who couldn't hold onto her power. The queen, who stopped caring about the world's problems and believed some charlatan. As Caldwell said: "She got mixed up with necromancers, turned the empire into ruins..." The entire empire, from Archbishop Randall to the last peasant in the most remote village, hated her while she was on the throne. And Markel didn't see this.
So this Kha-Beleth, who spent his entire life sitting in a prison...
And if someone is locked up with all kinds of magical seals, giving up his flesh and using all his power. The entire life of the Master was dedicated to creating a grand plan for his own liberation. And it must be admitted that the plan was brilliant. Kha-Beleth took everything into account, except for Arantir. From his prison, he perfectly managed his task, and as a result, he turned Ashan into a pile of rubble.
...and lost on his own territory.
A small step back for a big leap forward.
Дайте мне всего шесть строк, написанных рукой самого честного человека, и я найду, за что его можно повесить.
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Markel lost because he usurped power and turned all Seven Cities of the Academy, Irollan, and half of the Griffin Empire against him, not to mention that he was also at war with demons. He couldn't possibly win! He's a fool, even though he came to power in such an unusual way.
At the same time, he managed to inspire such fear that no one dared to touch him. Plus, he could create a huge number of undead minions if he hadn't been killed. But overall, the Beaver faction was lucky that they managed to defeat him (according to the laws of logic, he wouldn't have been hiding in some hole, waiting for them to corner him and kill him, but everyone seems to not care).
A queen who cannot maintain her power. A queen who no longer cares about the world's problems, who believed some scoundrel. As Caldwell said: "She got mixed up with necromancers, turned the empire into ruins..." The entire empire, from Archbishop Randall to the last peasant in the most remote village, hated her while she was on the throne. And Markel didn't realize this.
However, this did not prevent him from doing his dirty deeds and seizing the Empire for himself, huh.

A small digression for a big leap.
Is it luck that Isabel somehow managed to escape with Railag without raising any suspicion, so that Biara could take her place? What a big leap.

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And if you lock someone with all magical seals, giving up your flesh and using all your power. The entire life of the Overlord was the creation of a grand plan for his own liberation. And it must be admitted that the plan was brilliant. Kha-Beleth took everything into account, except for Arantir. From his prison, he perfectly coped with his task, and as a result, he turned Askhan into a pile of stones.
But if he hadn't been such a loser and had shown more of his awesomeness, then no one would have locked him up anywhere.

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In general, you can argue about this for a long time, but it won't lead to anything. In the end, everyone has the right to their own opinion, and in this topic, it is precisely the opinion that is being asked. You, as well as some others, consider Kha-Beleth charismatic - great, which means that the developers did not work in vain when they worked on him. We do not consider him so - it is our right, but there is no need to turn this into a whole discussion, which in the end will not give anyone anything. I, for example, consider Markel charismatic, as do some others, and that is also my right. And arguing on this topic will also not give anything, because everyone, I think, will be able to defend and prove their point of view. Therefore, I suggest closing this discussion in this thread, because it looks more like a pointless padding of posts, which does not carry any informative load.
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However, he managed to instill such fear that no one dared to touch him. Plus, he could create a huge number of undead minions if he hadn't been defeated. But overall, the Beaverfolk were lucky that they managed to deal with him (according to the laws of logic, he wouldn't have been hiding in some hole, waiting for them to corner him and kill him, but everyone seemed to not care).
Who did he instill fear in? Who was afraid of him, besides Wiera?
However, this did not prevent him from doing his dirty deeds and seizing the Empire for himself.
And these same dirty deeds led to his downfall.
Luck is that Isabel somehow managed to escape with Railag without raising suspicion, so that Biara could take her place? What a big leap.
The leap was launching Biara into the Griffin Empire.
But if he hadn't been such a fool and had shown more of his coolness, then no one would have locked him up anywhere.
If even Urgash with six lords was locked up, what about him.
In general, you can write a lot of posts on this topic, but it won't lead to anything. In the end, everyone has the right to their own opinion, and in this topic, it is precisely an opinion that is being asked. You, like me and some others, consider Kha-Belekh charismatic - great, it means that the developers were not working in vain when they worked on him. We do not consider him so - it is our right, but there is no need to turn this into a whole discussion, which in the end will not give anyone anything. I think Markel is charismatic, as do some others, and that is also my right. And a dispute on this topic will also not give anything, because everyone, I think, will be able to defend and prove their point of view. Therefore, I suggest closing this dispute in this thread, because it looks more like a meaningless padding of posts, which does not carry any informative load.
The topic should have been called: the most cunning, smart, insidious, and powerful.
Дайте мне всего шесть строк, написанных рукой самого честного человека, и я найду, за что его можно повесить.
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Who did he instill fear in? Who was afraid of him, besides Wier?
Then why did he live so long and cause so much trouble?
And these same dark deeds led to his downfall.
By the will of the creators. In general, he could have done a lot and maybe even won this war and defeated everyone, including the demons.
The jump is to send Biara into the Griffin Empire.
But that's just luck! If Isabel hadn't disappeared without a trace, they wouldn't have succeeded. In general, the creators really messed up here, showing a careless attitude towards the plot, because such things need to be clarified in detail.
If even Urgash with six lords was locked up, what chance did he have?
Then Urgash is a loser, and he is a loser too.

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