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Title: West vs East... again. YES!!!
Map name: West vs East... again. GO!!!
Two-level map: yes
Number of players: 7
Size: Extra Large
Difficulty level: Impossible
Map author: post-war breakout
Map description: An improved standard map, A Viking We Shall Go. You need to kill everyone. Five colors to choose from - Five nations. This map is for those who like to fight enemies, but not for those who like to solve puzzles.

Awesome! I'll download it now. Thanks. I'll tweak the location and, especially, the ownership of the players a bit for myself. I'll probably add more cities for myself. Haha, you can't add cities. It says there's a maximum. Bummer. There are too few of them in Eastern Europe. But otherwise, it turned out pretty cool.

I agree, it turned out great. And, in theory, nothing needs to be added – winning will be difficult anyway. If that’s what you meant. And – you’re welcome, anytime.

I agree that it turned out well. And, in theory, nothing needs to be added – it will be difficult to win anyway. If that's what you meant.
And – you're welcome.

No, I meant that there are too few cities in the east. The purple faction controls Kyiv and Moscow, just like in the original map, and that's not very interesting. At least add Odessa, Lviv, Kharkiv, or something like Luhansk. It would be more fun.
If possible, create a proper poll.

Create a proper poll, if possible.

Yeah, just leave the first 3 answer options! ;)
And what does the answer "I'm a deer" mean? :) Who is it for? :confused:

My own answer isn't included in the suggested options:
Please stop making fun of the standard maps! :smile41: It seems like "Fortress" is getting it the worst. :smile05: Draw something of your own, maybe even Asia, just for variety.

I finished it; it seems the map is easier than the standard Vikings map. I didn't encounter any resistance in Europe at all, and I had to struggle a bit with Russia, but again, I think it was due to a bug. Comrade Alexander Nevsky, with attack and defense stats around 60, suddenly had 99 after a week, or there's an incredibly hidden stash on the map, or it's a bug.

Marmot, you misunderstood. I wasn't trying to mock the map; I just wanted to improve it, so to speak, to realize its potential. I wouldn't take someone else's original map, but since this is a common resource, I decided to experiment: I made it in my spare time for four years, initially just for myself. And I'm not claiming sole authorship; I'm simply paying tribute to a great idea by developing it further. I don't plan on making any more maps. If someone doesn't like it, that's fine, but people who have a taste for maps like mine will enjoy playing it.

And I agree that taking a finished map and changing it isn't very good. Nevertheless, I believe this map will be interesting to those who have played the original and have already forgotten it. At least, that's what I was aiming for.

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iskatel78

Haha, I definitely didn't expect that kind of comment. No matter how much I tested it, the Walkthrough was always challenging, even though I knew all the bonuses and hidden artifacts. Please answer, how long did it take you to defeat everyone in the west?

Regarding Alexander Nevsky, either you're exaggerating that it took a week, or the map was somehow corrupted. I didn't experience that...

I can't change the poll. My sense of humor seems to be failing me.

nonstop

Well, you can edit it yourself as you wish. I won't be changing the geography anymore; if I could, I would have added more cities to the map. I tried to make it as realistic as possible, but then I hit a limit with the number of cities and had to sacrifice some ideas. By the way, how do you find the balance with the computer opponents: is it difficult or, on the contrary, easy?

In the west, only Urak had a significant army, but it seems he lacked funds. I used a blitzkrieg strategy, breaking through into the country and discovering a large number of unhired creatures in the captured castles, including archangels, which decided the battle against Urak. After that, all the rulers, except for the green one (whose army came from the northwestern ramparts), had practically no armies, while I already had both an army and good stats. I spent more time chasing them around the map, trying to figure out where the other cities were hidden. Regarding the bug, it might be related to my system because I vaguely remember when I was playing the standard Vikings campaign, there was a moment when, after a battle with one of the purple factions, my stats went from around 40 to around 13. I had to play from a very old save, but the bug didn't repeat.

искатель78

Well, that's just crazy, I'm hearing about this bug for the first time, the way you described it.
And please answer a couple of questions about the map in a private message: what difficulty level did you play on? and which faction did you choose? This is important to me. Because, in theory, there shouldn't be an easy playthrough at all. I can't understand how you managed to do it, even considering the blitzkrieg strategy.

Marmot, you didn't understand. I wasn't going to mock the map.

post-war breakout, it’s you who didn’t understand: “I just wanted to improve it” – that’s what I call mocking. Imagine that each of millions of players takes a standard map, clicks with the mouse in a couple of places and thinks they have created a map. :( Yes, your case is an exception; you spent a long time reworking “Vikings,” added an entire level (Eastern Europe), but I think this is a fruitless endeavor. Although no one tells anyone what not to do...

I wouldn't take someone else's authorial map, because it's common property.

It was also made by people who are its authors. :)

Here, by the way, I remember your message about this map:
/topic/at/424487/
The phrases don't quite match:
I made it in my spare time for 4 years purely for myself at first
and
A Viking We Shall Go map, slightly modernized

Alexander Nevsky had attack and defense stats around 60, and after a week suddenly got 99, or there’s some incredible external dwelling on the map, or it’s a glitch.

Regarding this glitch: I haven't looked at your map, but based on the description of the symptoms, there is one assumption: if you initially gave enemies a large amount of experience, then, as described in FizMIG (section 1.8), from level 75 onwards, the game behaves unpredictably when further leveling up (due to large numbers of experience points), so excessive “leveling” of heroes can lead to problems.

Marmot, thank you, it seems the issue is indeed related to that. I have the setting "impossible, the computer gains experience very quickly" enabled. I set it a long time ago to make the game more challenging, and I had forgotten about it.

искатель78, this is an option in WoG, specifically for skilled players. It shouldn't happen in SoD unless something grants too much experience to an already leveled-up hero.

Here's my situation: I'm playing WOG, but I have the option enabled to only apply the WoGification to random maps. So, I'm not even sure.

Starting from level 75, the game behaves unpredictably when leveling up further (due to large experience numbers), so excessive "leveling up" of heroes can lead to problems.

No, it's not about the experience, but something else. It's surprising.

And taking this opportunity, I'll say: I read your mapmaking course, and it's quite good – it's like opening a textbook again, such a methodical approach. You have to be a real superfan of the game to do something like that for free. Interesting.

post-war breakout :
by the way, how do you find the balance against the AI: is it difficult or, on the contrary, easy?

Haven't played it yet. No time. I used to draw a map of Eastern Europe + Turkey a long time ago. But it was a while ago, and I lost the map.