Posts from Mafia 29. Witch Hunt

Could you provide links to the accusations?

Best regards,
Gur

Tell me, for what and on what grounds should Vishmaster be executed?

Gil4 said so, he's smart, and the city always listens to him.

Gur, it's all written here... They believe that a thief stole poison from Vish and he used it to poison Amko.
And by the way, regarding the 15th from the bottom, is that based on the list from the first night, or the overall list? Maybe it's a good setup, because according to that list, the 15th from the bottom is Dgak, but I can't say for sure. There were a lot of notes, so whether it's a setup or not is unknown.
Before choosing a candidate for execution, please read the accusations regarding: Gur, Vish, and Gil.

I tried to understand it myself. The thing is, I can't possibly be number 15 under any circumstances, and I can't figure out where you found that. I'd like an explanation. And you're currently trying to save your (already hanging on the gallows) Vish, even though, as correctly noted, it will be difficult to quickly change the votes, and we have a lot of mafia members as opponents, and personally, I don't understand much about the groupings. And it seems like you're trying to protect your mafia member.

Gil is smart? So, I'm a fool! I'm telling you, it's NNV.

In confusion, Gur

Is Gil smart? So, I'm a fool! I'm telling you, NNV.

In confusion,
Gur

There's no executioner. The city has little chance. NNV is on the side of the Mafia. They'll execute him, and rightly so. But that will be tomorrow.

There are only a few hours left until the end of the day, and based on that, there are only two possible outcomes: either Vishmaster will be executed, or it will be a No New Votes (NNV).

It's about who benefits from the NNV and who doesn't. My message simply matched the level of argumentation in VisTrit's last post.

I just asked for a summary of why and for what reasons Vishmaster is being "executed," so I wouldn't have to reread the thread multiple times. What if he's a member of the Mafia, and my vote could be decisive.

Sincerely,
Gur

I just asked for a summary of why and for what reasons Vishmaster is being executed, so I don't have to reread the thread multiple times. What if he's a member of the Mafia, and my vote could be decisive.

Is this some kind of trolling?
Just look at the previous page.

They believe that a thief stole poison from Vish and he poisoned Amko with it.

In short. Before that, of course, many arguments were presented on this subject.

There is no executioner. The city has little chance. NNV is helping the Mafia. They will execute and it's the right thing to do. But this will happen tomorrow.

Alive:
1. Morning
2. Dgak
3. Gur
4. Flandre
5. Slonysh
6. Aves
7. Leang
8. Kitz Kitsunka
9. Ta Kotoraya...
10. Registr
11. Neyra Drake
12. WishmasteR
13. Arandor
14. Gil4
16. Imaris, the Moon Wolf
18. WisTrit

If we count based on the results of the first night, then yes, 15th from the end. You probably thought I was accusing you, and immediately started attacking me :D

Added 6 minutes later

Is this some kind of trolling?
Just look at the previous page.

In short, many arguments were presented about this before.

It takes a long time to search.

It's a tricky situation. I'm not entirely sure about Vish's guilt, but there's still a possibility that he's a Mafia member. To consider him innocent, we'd have to make too many questionable assumptions. Vish, if he's a town member, could be a Hunter, Inquisitor, Blacksmith, or Marshal. The Hunter, Inquisitor, and Marshal acted during the night. Could it have been a Thief acting with their night ability? If so, then all three options are ruled out. That leaves the Blacksmith. But we don't see the Blacksmith's action on the second night – why? Was the Thief blocked, or did he want to wait? It's questionable. There are many inconsistencies. Based on this, I'm in favor of executing Vishmaster. I suspect Gil. His move regarding Slonysh is strange. Not resurrecting him means we'll lose Templars. What kind of strategy is that? If they don't resurrect Slonysh, the town will be in a better position. If they execute the Magister and his group, will that help? Hmm...

Cancel NNV. Execute Vishmaster.

Sincerely,
Gur

Execute Wishmaster - 7 votes (Gil4, Leang, Morning, Dgak, WisTrit, Киц Кицунька, Гур)
Execute Гур - 2 votes (Wishmaster, Aves)

7 votes are needed for execution.

Kits, the city won't be any better off with the Templars dead, but if they don't help restore the balance, I'd rather let the Mafia win than them. You can't do anything to them at night, and I've already explained why. And stop treating them like they're townspeople. If one side kills the Inquisitor, the Templars will almost certainly win. Let's look at the situation with the Inquisitor's death in more detail:
1. One of the Mafia kills the Inquisitor.
2. The city is left without a Bishop and an Inquisitor, facing two Mafia and the Templars.
3. We have a choice: eliminate the Mafia or the Templars.
3.1. We eliminate the Mafia - the Templars win automatically (look at their goal in the game).
3.2. We eliminate the Templars, spending every vote on them - the Mafia finishes us off without any problems.
3.3. We try to maintain balance - either the Mafia finishes off the weakened Templars (if we hang the Master, as I'm threatening to do - they will only be able to constantly protect each other in pairs, but they will never win like that, especially two against so many players), or the Templars endlessly protect and resurrect each other at night while the Mafia kills us or is killed by the Templars' protection. In both scenarios, the city loses.
So yes, I'm threatening them. But stop treating them like they're innocent; they're our opponents, just like the Mafia. They're also Mafia, just focused on defense rather than attack. Isn't that obvious? Everything depends on the Inquisitor's life; we can't afford that risk. We have nothing to lose, so I'm threatening them. And if they don't want to help, we'll vote them out and give the victory to the Mafia. Why? Because I'm sure the city will support me and won't want to give the victory to players who will just endlessly defend and resurrect their allies. This is an exploitation of role abilities, but it's not brilliant gameplay that deserves a victory. Again, we have nothing to lose - so it's better for us to choose the side that deserves (or at least deserves more) the victory, rather than just passively observe. If the Templars help, there will be a chance for us, for them, and for both other Mafia. After that, everything will depend on the players' skill, demonstrated in the voting. That's fair.

Gur, if you're still here: Vishmaster had his special ability stolen, and last night, the Thief used that ability on Amko. Why is it definitely Amko? Because the note is definitely true; there aren't even any fakes. Two special abilities were used on Amko - two killing abilities. A simple kill and the Witch's poison. Judging by the other special abilities, the Witch's ability was used by the Thief. This is a brief summary of the reasons for Vish's guilt. I understand that you've already voted, but I don't want you to think this is a vote based on the principle of "that's what others said to vote for." They referred to me (and did so amusingly :D), so I'm explaining the reasons to you. And I'm glad to see you being more active than usual. :)

Sincerely,
Gil.

Aves, I could, of course, explain why you're wrong, but I'm too lazy. There's too much nonsense to argue with. Just one thing that Morny has already pointed out: bribery doesn't block a player, actually. And several role eliminations are based on this, haha. And so on, and so forth.

Execute the Wishmaster

Thank you for the clarification. Your reasoning is now more or less clear to me.