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Seriously, guys, trolls like Sema and Samurai, what’s the point of mocking Bayan and others? And by the way, Warlock’s shadow is still clowning around on HW.
What kind of insults are we talking about? I've played and communicated with Valentin quite a bit, but I've never seen anything like that from him. This suggests that it's simply his defensive reaction.
That's what I'm saying, his defensive reaction is severely inadequate; he doesn't understand where the teasing ends and the harassment begins. And he doesn't know how to respond to these attacks in a way that makes his opponents lose morale, instead of gaining it.
He complained that he was given penalty points while others weren't. This is because others understand the limits of acceptable expression, but he doesn't. As a result, it's not a clear response from a tough guy, but a clown's tantrum. Which, of course, provokes further aggression towards him.
This is a common law of social psychology: the group somehow eliminates inadequate individuals. I think Valentin is familiar with this not only on Hv, but also in real life.
Such unconscious tests in the form of trial attacks constantly occur in normal groups. Usually in the form of teasing or provocations. Or, if there is a reason, not teasing. Most of them pass normally, which supports the social adequacy of the group members and forms subgroups.
Similarly, with newcomers, the group tests their resilience, usually with light teasing, trial attacks, or trolling, to see how they will react. If they back down, the attitude towards them will be accordingly. If they forget themselves, it means they are not one of us; they will be pressured more until they leave on their own (Valentin's case). But if they respond effectively or defuse the situation, they will quickly become one of the group. You don't have to look far for examples.
He received most of his penalty points after a conflict with the then-moderator, Alex_R, who preemptively gave him penalty points for any reason, and who is now long gone from the forum.
As for the violations, he wouldn't be far behind you, Wic; currently, you are in 9th place among the top violators.
At the request of:
Wlk777
I would like you to write something on my behalf in the thread about my unban.
1. I'm glad that an interesting topic for discussion has been found.
2. I have already asked Dubrovin to write that I don't want to be unbanned.
The rest is debatable, and I don't want to argue.
For Wic: He describes my penalty points and behavior so well... But when you calculate the number of points and the number of posts, we have exactly the same.
He has 125 points, 1400+ posts, 11 with violations.
I have 2300+ posts, 209 points, 17 with violations.
This isn't even an argument; these are just the numbers.
sometimes a flawless and unerring post with an overdose of sarcasm and digs is 10 times more ruthless than 3 insults.
))) Do you understand?
ДУРАКОВ ОЧЕНЬ МАЛО, НО ОНИ РАССТАВЛЕНЫ ТАК ГРАМОТНО, ЧТО ВСТРЕЧАЮТСЯ НА КАЖДОМ ШАГУ. Прошу прощения у Arandor-а. Я слишком резко отреагировал. Просто очень люблю спорт. Извини...[/SIZE]
Although Wlk777 (as an exception) has already been removed from the Eternal Ban, certain circumstances will play in his favor when deciding on removing him from the Eternal Ban.
These circumstances have already been discussed, namely: Wlk777 was unfairly given violation points for copies of personal messages, for which, as clarified with the Creator, Wlk777 should not have been penalized.
Yes, someone might say that he still earned the Eternal Ban because he was already removed from it once with the efforts of the Players, or that he has already done enough to warrant an Eternal Ban.
Nevertheless, it is necessary to work on this issue, even though the person in question does not want to return, but I believe he should be rehabilitated if he was unfairly subjected to certain hardships due to the moderators' incorrect application of the Rules.
Over time, I am sure the system of assigning Violation Points will become a thing of the past, but for now, we exist within the current framework.
Over time, I'm sure the system for calculating Violation Points will become a thing of the past, but for now, we have to operate within the existing framework.
+1. I think Wlk isn't to blame, but rather the existing system for calculating points. I suggest removing the permanent ban and organizing a vote on this issue. P.S. I've often chatted with Valentin on ICQ, and I've never heard him use profanity or insults. I think he's a good person; you just shouldn't provoke him.
There are many ways to avoid falling for provocations, as well as various options for getting out of an unpleasant situation in a more dignified manner than by using inappropriate language. Unfortunately, Valentin doesn't possess these skills. Moreover, he doesn't want to, or can't, learn them. We are unlikely to see a different Valentin, and he will inevitably be banned again sooner or later. I support the idea of a periodic ban, but it would be good to reduce the number of points leading to the ban with each subsequent offense.
Yes, someone might say that he will still get a permanent ban, because he was already banned once by the players, or because what he has already written is enough for a permanent ban.
For the same reason, I voted for unbanning him the first time, but now it's a different story.
Definitely for unbanning. There have been several instances of communication with this interesting person, both in ICQ and in private messages and in the WT chat. A wonderful person with unconventional thinking and a good sense of humor.
The problem is that those who vote for a ban do so with prejudice and, as a rule, do not have experience of positive contact with him. There is an extreme form of tediousness, and it is expressed in the bannners by 100%. For those who are interested in who these characters are, welcome to the Heroes of Might and Magic III tournaments; personally, I am sick of them and their constant whining, arguments, and settling of scores. And wlk777 is an intermediate stage on the way to banning any visitors to the section who are not "approved by the Authorities."
The problem is that those who vote for a ban do so with bias and, as a rule, lack experience of positive interaction with the person being banned. There is an extreme form of tediousness, and it is expressed in the ban-givers at 100%. Anyone who is interested in who these characters are is welcome to join the Heroes of Might and Magic III tournaments. Personally, I am sick of them and their constant whining, arguments, and settling of scores. And wlk777 is an intermediate stage on the way to banning any visitors to the section who are not "approved by the Authorities."
Then what are you writing in the Heroes of Might and Magic III tournament section if you are disgusted by those who are here? Did you come to cause trouble? Get out of here and lick wlk's ass if that's what you like, you non-banal jerk and Petrusha, as we are now so politely expressing ourselves.
No, I want to express my opinion on why he should be unbanned. And if he doesn't want it anymore, he won't log in, but the choice should be given to him. And here's a typical reaction from someone with mediocre abilities – he immediately started with personal attacks in response to a general observation. It's not surprising that Valentin responded in the same way. There are several proverbs about how to treat people. Or how did you call it a couple of pages ago? "Testing a newbie"? Don't make me laugh, it's more like a hypocritical justification for a pig-like nature.
No, you have to be the last scoundrel to write in a section about how you're disgusted by everyone here, apparently for no reason, and try to insert (censored) here for that purpose.
You're disgusted by us, but I couldn't care less about people like you, who are so empty that they can't even evoke real emotions, neither positive nor negative, only disgust.
Yes, don't forget to whine to the moderators, you slimy creature. ))
Yes, yes, don't forget to fawn over the moderators, you slob. ))
What are you talking about?
apparently, from everyone here, without any reason
Are you not reading what I'm writing, or are you deliberately ignoring it for the sake of your own truth? Probably the latter. Fortunately, you are just a user like me, no better than me, and your personal opinion doesn't matter. But you rushed to pour a bucket of bile and filth on me for asking for an unban. Q.E.D.
Wicc
