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8. You see, since this is a tournament, the discussion should still be held only AFTER it ends. There will definitely be a discussion after the tournament ends, and it will be very lively.
Okay with the first point, but here it's "I respectfully disagree!!!" :) I know from my own experience that the more active the discussion is, the more you want to continue, improve, etc. So I insist on allowing discussion of the tournament during its run. Maybe we can try to vote? Like, create a post "Let's have a discussion about the tournament before it ends" and count how many people approve and how many are "categorically against." I'm ready to sacrifice my... well
Okay. Who is in favor of allowing discussions about the tournament's progress during its course? I am against it because it turns the tournament from a competitive event into a friendly match.
We probably don't need a large one... A medium one would be just right, but we won't turn down a small one either. As far as I understand, no one will be on the forum over the weekend:) Then, until Tuesday, I'll also take a look at something.
Sincerely, Prorock.
Added 3 hours and 8 minutes ago I AM ABSOLUTELY AGAINST OPENLY DISCUSSING THE TOURNAMENT WHILE IT IS IN PROGRESS!
Forgive me for being so categorical, but I really didn't like the freedom that's happening in the tournament for the first Heroes game! At first, I thought it would be a "+", but practice has shown a clear "-"!
THIS COMPLETELY VIOLATES THE TOURNAMENT ATMOSPHERE!
Even without playing the tournament map, I already knew WHAT and HOW to do!
What kind of tournament is this?
The experience with the first Heroes game, I think, taught us that the point "...no discussion of the tournament progress during..." - must be unconditionally left in place!
I even think that this should not be subject to discussion: NO DISCUSSIONS DURING!
Respected VDV forever decided to try to change this point, to see what it would lead to! AND HE DID ABSOLUTELY RIGHT - it was necessary to try! But everything has its time and place...
A post-tournament analysis is simply necessary, but only after!
Sincerely, Prorock.
Как много в жизни есть путей Для добродетелей и мира.
I am STRONGLY AGAINST openly discussing the tournament while it is in progress!
I assume you are talking about Zingel's post? It didn't make me happy either, but what was happening before (trolls, hydras, magic, aggressive AI) was normal. Providing detailed descriptions is unnecessary (I almost understood what he was writing from the first few lines and didn't read the message at all), but I think sharing general impressions is fine.
Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.
Alan;43129I assume you're talking about Zingel's post?? It didn't please me either, but what came before that (trolls, hydras, magic, AI aggression) is normal. Now, providing a detailed description isn't necessary (I understood what he was writing about from the first few lines and didn't read the message at all), but I think general impressions are fine. At first, I also thought there would only be a general description...!???!
But after Zingel described almost every second he breathed and when he didn't... it just........................ killed me!
You can't do that, guys!
Everyone can interpret the phrase "in general terms" differently, so it's better to REMOVE IT ENTIRELY!
Discussion should be only about rules, nuances, and bugs. Any other information will simply be impractical!
Respectfully, Prorock.
Как много в жизни есть путей Для добродетелей и мира.
I just don't like arena-style tournaments:mad: But, for example, a competition for the number of skills acquired in the shortest time, or for collecting monsters of one type in the shortest time – that would be interesting and quite relevant, I think.
This is just my opinion.
P.S. I don't play arena-style games.
Sincerely, VDV_forever
Arena tournaments are for pros. I can't consider myself one of them in the second game. The map for the first tournament was quite interesting, but not for an arena tournament! That's the whole problem. If the best strategy on the map is to avoid fighting and simply bypass the objectives, then it's not interesting!
But I would gladly play that same map in a speedrun competition!!!
Added 7 minutes later Zingel;43043
Okay, with the first point, but here I have to disagree!!! :) From my own experience, I know that the more active the discussion, the more people want to continue, improve, etc. So, I insist on allowing discussion during the tournament. Maybe we can try to vote? Create a post like "Let's allow discussion of the tournament until it ends" and count how many people approve and how many are "categorically against." I'm ready to sacrifice my... well, you know. :)
I agree that it's more interesting for beginners, and sometimes even for experienced players. And most importantly, it clearly shows whether someone is participating in the tournament or everyone has forgotten about it. And after the tournament, it's not appealing to fix mistakes by replaying everything from scratch, but it's almost always possible to fix something during the game. Moreover, we need to consider that the person providing valuable information is working against themselves and helping their competitors! Therefore, even if discussion is allowed, it doesn't necessarily mean that it will cover all the nuances of the gameplay in detail, but it will definitely increase interest in the tournament! But I'm against voting. It's all up to the tournament organizer. For example, Natasha wrote "Discussion is not welcome," which means I can moderate it if I want to.
Arena tournaments are for pros. I can't consider myself one of them. The map for the first tournament was quite interesting, but not for an arena tournament! That's the whole problem. If the best strategy on a map is to avoid fighting and simply bypass the objectives, then it's not interesting!
What makes you think that arena-style tournaments are only for pros? I think differently: If a player is a pro, then it doesn't really matter where they prove their skills - whether it's an arena-style game, a speed run, a game focused on experience, or on skills.
It's just a matter of personal preference, I guess;)
Why do you think that arena-style tournaments are only for pros? I think otherwise: If a player is a pro, then it doesn't really matter to them where they prove their skills - whether it's an arena-style game, a speed run, a game focused on experience, or on skills.
It's just a matter of preference, though;
Best regards, VDV_forever
Good day.
Yes, you're right - personal preference plays a significant role!
But, nprf, is somewhat right! The arena involves many parameters: - the same hero development - a properly selected army composition (monster selection) - and again, there is a time limit to complete all of this.
And it's not just about completing it, but about doing it as efficiently as possible, taking into account all these components: - Hero - Army (monsters) - Time
In other words, the Arena combines all the mini-conditions for victory (hero development, monster selection, time) INTO ONE!
Therefore, it can rightfully be considered the domain of pros! There are many parameters that a pro can use to their advantage, while a beginner might get confused...
It's not very difficult to win a speed tournament, and it's exciting in its own way!
In an arena tournament, as I've realized, I'll have to play many more times to perform the best:):):) But I'm a person who loves challenges, so, PERSONALLY, the arena appeals to me.
But playing the arena all the time can get boring... ...I just want to run at the speed of light... with a saber in my hand... with one peasant in my army... and with shouts of HURRAH! I want to take everything and everyone without worrying about collecting an army or developing a hero!
Best regards, Prororck.
Как много в жизни есть путей Для добродетелей и мира.
Why do you assume that arena-style tournaments are only for professionals? I think differently: If a player is a pro, then, in general, they don't care where they prove their results - whether it's an arena-style game, a speed run, a game for experience, or a game for skills.
It's just that everyone has their preferences;)
Best regards, VDV_forever
Because, firstly, it's much more complicated. And secondly, those who start playing them will rarely be able to force themselves to play, for example, for points. Unless it's occasionally, just to have some fun and take a break from serious tournaments. In general,
And what makes you think that the arena type of tournament is only for pros? I believe otherwise: If a player is a pro, then they generally don't care where they prove their result— whether it be an arena type of game, a speed run, experience, or skills.
It's just a matter of what someone prefers ;)
Respectfully, VDV_forever
As it happens, the strongest players only play seriously in these tournaments. One could speculate for a long time as to why; it is the same as explaining how they came to eliminate certain Castles in online play. I can explain the situation privately using my own example. In the latest example, Armagedda lost to both Prophet and Natasha in a clan tournament. But whether they could defeat him in an arena type—I'm not sure. And that is all because there is a different attitude toward the game there! That's all.
I certainly respect the skill of these players, but for me, a tournament is primarily about a face-to-face encounter with an opponent online... And all these types of tournaments... after all, with players of roughly equal skill, the one who finds more time to play will win, because it's just a game with established patterns, with the possibility of saving and replaying the map. I can't consider that this allows you to determine the real skill of the players. Therefore, I think all these arguments are a bit irrelevant... Yes, in one of the topics, Natasha wrote to me that this gives players the opportunity to showcase their skills and that she won't play online with those she doesn't know, BUT... now I'll give an example from another game, namely Warcraft 3 (although perhaps I'll be told that the games are too different and the comparison is inappropriate). I've seen many times how a beginner, practically not playing offline, would go into Battle.net and play. If he had the ability to learn and started visiting websites with game tactics, then after a few weeks, he would crush all his friends who didn't go online, with a significant lead, often even one against two. Because only online play provides experience from real games, where one mistake and you're out, where decisions are made in fractions of a second, and as a result, the difference in skill is simply huge. I may have written all this a bit off-topic, and I'm not suggesting that offline tournaments should be stopped and everyone should switch to online, because everyone has already expressed their views on their busyness and the impossibility of online play. Although, again, if you find time on weekends, as most people here write, to play offline for hours, what prevents you from spending those same hours online?... It's just that this is my position regarding any offline tournament; I don't see any difference between them, and even more so, I don't want to argue about "here you're stronger, and there he is..."
P.S. It turned out a bit rambling; if anyone thinks that I'm not on topic, I can delete everything, and we'll pretend that an offline tournament against the AI is cool.
P.S.S. Now, on topic. The participants in the 2-player tournament are, preliminarily: Qwerty Prorock VDV forever Zingel Sergh AlexeyPank vbs
The discussion of the maps will be on Tuesday, but there will be no voting; I will choose the map myself. This is so that no one knows where we will be playing until the last moment.
Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.
I also thought at first that it would only be a general description...!???! But after Zingel described almost to the second when he breathed in and when he didn't... it was just... unbelievable! You can't do that, guys! And everyone can interpret a word in general terms differently, so it's better to REMOVE IT ALTOGETHER! Discussions should only be about rules, nuances, and bugs. The rest of the information will simply be irrelevant! Sincerely, Prorock.
Understood. So, we agree to post about general impressions without going into details? And should we post this type of writing after the tournament is over?
The last example of Armagedda in the clan tournament lost to both Prophet and Natasha. But whether they will be able to defeat him in the arena, I'm not sure. And all because there is a different attitude towards the game! That's all.
Well, we'll see that soon...;) ...those who know what I'm talking about...;)
And yet, I will by no means underestimate the strength of those players who play in arenas. I also think that they are strong.
Added 1 minute ago Zingel;43831
Agreed. So, we agree to post about general impressions, without going into details? And we post this type of writing after the tournament is over?
CORRECT!
That's how we'll do it. I'm glad you understood me!
Sincerely, Prorock.
Как много в жизни есть путей Для добродетелей и мира.
Good day to everyone. While the emotions are still strong and everything is relevant, I won't remove anything. The topic will be moderated in about a month.
Regarding the map: the only request is to make it small!
Zingel
