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Just for fun))), a counter-question:
In chess (a turn-based strategy game), can black make their first move after white has already made their first move?
What do chess have to do with it? There are no restarts in chess. And there's no point in these restarts either. If a person is used to playing white, let's say, using the Sokolsky opening, they will make their first move B2-b4 a hundred times. Here, red doesn't so much make their move as see how generous the generator was to them. They then move on to a new map, not the same one. I agree with the previously stated opinion that red doesn't have that right, but the chess example, in my opinion, is not entirely appropriate.
ВОИН КЛАНА "РЫЦАРИ АПОКАЛИПСИСА"
Никогда не теряйте концентрации, даже если абсолютно уверены в своей победе: секундная расслабленность, и триумф обернётся горьким поражением.
"Любой filowandel запросто станет Neverminder-ом, если захочет". Kash.
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I also don't understand why these views are so disliked. In my opinion, besides the lighter, nothing else is needed for SOD. How many games have been played, and I don't remember a single serious bug, but with this HD, you'll get stuck in a game during some tournament and curse these resolutions and 8 heroes in a row.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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Of course not. The blue player's turn should also be respected. There's no need to force them to take a turn just like that.
Kostya, as always, is concise and to the point, but for now, you can take a restart on someone else's turn:
"each player has the right to take a restart/restarts, i.e., start a new game with a map regeneration. You can take either 3 restarts on the first day of the game (111+111+111), or 2 restarts on the first and second days (111+112 or 112+111), or one restart on the third day (113)."
As we can see, it is not specifically stated on whose turn this can be done, but only the date is indicated, so legally, red has the right to take a restart on someone else's turn. In short, a small correction is needed, such as: "each player has the right to take a restart/restarts during their turn, i.e.,..."

Never mind.
Regarding your question:
Common sense suggests that no:
on the blue player's turn, many situations may arise, such as: turn duration; an open overview, from which a bunch of heroes suddenly appear for the opponent, or a sufficiently strong guard is broken, and much more, I just can't remember it right now.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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This is nonsense.
I understand that you want to gain an advantage over your opponent by any means. I could use programs that you can't even imagine, but I don't, because the game should be played on equal terms, and not by gaining an advantage at the expense of something without the other player's knowledge, just because you want to.
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As we can see, it is not specifically stated on whose turn this can be done, but only the date is indicated, so legally, red has the right to take the relic even on the opponent's turn.
Now I've read it and I have to agree. According to the current rules, it is possible. After the turn is passed to blue, the first day still begins. I think the rules need to be amended.
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Offline Герой Меча и Магии 3
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Today, in the game, there was a second wave of reinforcements consisting of 5 unique units. I was playing as Fortress, and my opponent was playing as Rampart. :) Nevermind said that they can't be used, that you need to auto-load them. Is that true? Maybe we should add it to the rules?
Show your true face when losing. Make sure it`s not ugly.
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I understand that you have a desire to gain an advantage over your opponent by any means. I could use programs that you can't even imagine, but I don't do it because the game should be played on equal terms, and not by gaining an advantage at the expense of something without the other person's knowledge, just because you feel like it.

Lol, who are you trying to gain an advantage over? Over such an ultra-conservative old-timer like you? Everyone uses Lighter, any newbie who comes to the forum sees the topic and can download it right away. It's publicly available, it provides huge, widely recognized benefits, and no one will ask you for permission to use it.
Doesn't it surprise you that no one but you has come up with such a "rule"? That no one has supported your post? Perhaps there are reasons for this; maybe it's just complete nonsense, right?
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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Doesn't it surprise you that no one but you came up with such a "rule"? That no one supported your post? Perhaps there are reasons for this, maybe it's just complete nonsense, right?
Of course, it doesn't surprise me. All normal players have long since forgotten about SOD and are playing in Warlords, and it's not relevant to them. I'm not even talking about the fact that many didn't even install Lighter and HD. The game itself in SOD implies that ultra-conservatism you're talking about. If you play purely in SOD, it means you're an old-timer; SOD + Lighter = a mid-life crisis.
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Of course, it's not surprising. All normal players have long since abandoned SOD and are playing in Warlords, so it's not relevant to them. I'm not even talking about the fact that many didn't even install Lite or HD. The game itself in SOD implies that ultra-conservatism you're talking about. If you play purely in SOD, it means you're an old-timer; SOD + Lite = a mid-life crisis.

Then it's even stranger why you're so worried about "abnormal" players. Personally, I assure you, I can do without your wise rules. And SOD is a true gameplay that most people on this forum love, not monotonous mouse-clicking, which you still want to elevate to the rank of law.

P.S. If you were offended by the "old-timer" comment, I apologize; I didn't mean to insult you.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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I understand that you have a desire to gain an advantage over your opponent by any means.
There is a desire to play comfortably and save both your own time and your opponent's time. If you are against this, then that is your problem, and I don't think anyone will support you. Maybe someone plays without using a mouse, for example – am I also obliged to do so?
Dirty_Player
I can use programs that you wouldn't even dream of, but I don't do it because you have to play on equal terms, and not gain an advantage at the expense of something without the other person knowing, just because you feel like it.
Give at least one example, otherwise I strongly suspect that all of this is just empty talk :)

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Of course, I'm not surprised. All normal players have long since given up on SOD and are playing in WT.
Quite a bold statement :D
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2Satyr: We won't argue. I don't want to.
2Wlk777: Should I also attach a user manual to these programs?
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2Wlk777: Maybe you should also include instructions on how to use these programs?
"Maybe I should also give you the key to the apartment where the money is kept" (C) :D
It's just strange that such a usually reasonable and logical person like Konstantin is now proving very strange theories and using strange arguments about some miracle programs (which I don't believe in unless they are just ordinary cheats) :confused:

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I won't argue. I don't want to.
There's really no point in arguing about the lighter :)
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(which I don't believe in unless they are just regular cheats) :confused:
Why do you think that only you know EVERYTHING, and if you don't know something, then it doesn't exist? :confused:
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Why do you think that only you know EVERYTHING, and if you don't know something, then it doesn't exist? :confused:
Why do you think I think that? :D
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Lol, who has the advantage here? Over such an ultra-conservative old-timer like you? Everyone uses Lighter; any newbie who visits the forum sees the topic and can download it right away. It's widely available, it provides enormous and widely recognized benefits, and no one will ask you for permission to use it.
Doesn't it surprise you that no one but you came up with such a "rule"? That no one supported your post? Perhaps there are reasons for this; maybe it's just complete nonsense, right?
Kostya, unlike many others, has tried all the new features in TE and VT, and calling one of the few who managed to earn points in the Interportal on the Bay field an "ultra-conservative old-timer" is, to put it mildly, unwise: it won't affect Kostya's reputation, but...
Regarding its widespread availability – there are many other very useful programs for online play that are publicly available on the internet, but no one voluntarily admits to using them.
Kostya explained why his post was the only one.
When I held club qualifiers, for example, Kostya had a clear position: if you want to play SoD, fine, we'll play SoD and only SoD, and nothing else, no Lighter, etc., if you want to focus more on the game and not waste a lot of time clicking with the mouse and keyboard, we'll play Lighter and not bother you.
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I want to play in Tournaments. Most tournaments are held on SoD by default. I have to play on SoD for other reasons too—when opponents ask. Therefore, take your idea of giving up the lighter and go jump in a lake =)
P.S.—don't compare apples to oranges by comparing the lighter with "many other programs very useful for online play, the use of which no one voluntarily admits to"—these "super-useful programs" are, own words, cheats.
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