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Just kidding? You compared "something" to "something else."
Where does this categorical attitude come from?

At the very least, a definite plus is that the Winged Serpent will have 12 speed, which means that in an early encounter on neutral ground with enemy angels, it won't have a guaranteed first turn. And the extra 15% defense on the 20th level of the Tazar is just +6 to the defense parameter. And scouting is a sufficient bonus to compensate for that (IMHO, of course).
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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Excellent explanation! But still, before releasing the game, they should have noticed such an obvious mistake. Didn't they test what they made themselves!? This isn't an air shield, which is rarely used during a castle siege.
Yes, it's possible that Kostya came up with this version himself; I don't think the developers told him that.
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and there are three on the Knights,
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only 4 heroes specialize in units of the first level
5. Actually. Perhaps the developers thought that the other level 1 units were too strong or too weak, who knows...
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you have to pay 3 precious gems for the Archangel, although, by analogy with other cities, if it costs 2 precious gems for a Titan, then it should cost one for him, and you can hire an Angel for money at all. It's somehow asymmetrically done...
Archangels are cool :D
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Oelm


This means that if you encounter an opponent's angels early on neutral ground, they won't have their first turn guaranteed.

I thought the first turn was given thanks to the upgraded dragonflies :) :smile42:
So, 11 or 12, it doesn't really matter for mass magic.

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Well, and the extra 15% to defense at level 20 for the Tazar is only +6 to the defense parameter.

No, no, you're definitely mistaken about something; I'm not great at math, but it's definitely different. I can feel it :smile33:

Tazar's special ability can't give only +6 defense; it would be too little.

Moreover, the special ability affects ALL troops, not just the viv :smile42: .
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Excellent explanation! But still, before releasing the game, they must have noticed such an obvious mistake. Didn't they test what they made themselves?
Lol. I'm sure there were no tests. How could people who didn't know how to play and tested at most on a map notice it? And when the RoI version was released, all heroes came with troops (like in the second game), and against this background, 7 crocodiles were insignificant. I came up with this version myself because I think it's quite logical.

P.S.: People even play as the Bear specialist in the fixed version.
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Well, Taz isn't some nobody in War Thunder, and in Squad he's practically a legend. ;)
I'll play as a mega-TAZ-saur:smile13:
"РЫЦАРЬ АПОКАЛИПСИСА"

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Leader, you're taking things too literally. Regarding the argument about Vivs and Angels: it's one thing to have a powerful stack (of Vivs) with a speed lower than, for example, the opponent's Angels, and quite another when the speed is the same. I believe this gives a significant advantage in battle when looking at it overall.

As for Thazar, I might be wrong. At level 20, he gives an additional 15% to armor, and the shield +6 reduces 15% of the base damage. Is that correct? I don't have the stats handy.
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Lol. I'm sure there were no tests. How could people who couldn't play and only tested on a basic map notice it? And when the RoI version was released, all heroes came with troops (like in the second game), and against that background, 7 crocodiles seemed insignificant. I came up with this version myself because I think it's quite logical.

P.S.: Even specialists play with bears in the fixed version.
How could they not know how to play??? Didn't they know what they were doing??? Did they make it without knowing what they were doing??? Well, maybe they imagined the game differently than we do on the forum... for example, we almost never build a resource stockpile, except on swamps... but they probably thought it would be used often.
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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How could they not know how to play??? Didn't they realize what they were doing??? Were they making things without knowing what they were doing??? Well, I guess they had some idea of how the game works, but probably not as well as we do on the forum... for example, we almost never build a resource stockpile, except on swamps... but they probably thought it would be used often...
He asked the question himself and answered it himself :) If they were really balancing something, then Cyclops wouldn't cost so much :D
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Accept, Vik, my application:
Wistan (if there isn't a group like that, I'll play as Bron)
SoD or WT
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To everyone participating in the discussion - sorry for the off-topic.
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Hey Vik, here's my request:
Wistan (if there isn't a group for him, I'll play as Bron).
I have an idea to create a 3rd group for those who like Wistan, Brogh, Alkin, Dragon, and others.

UPDATE Done. You can sign up there (and indicate where to move if the group doesn't get enough players).
SoD or WT
The discussion here is about the SoD bog creatures; there isn't much debate about WT, everyone knows who's the strongest there. At least in the current version.
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Actually, many heroes can start in the swamp map, not just Tazar. Bron, Vistan, Broghild, someone might even want to try Dragon or Alkin, and Korback is also a possibility (scouting and attacking). Perhaps it would be better to organize a larger tournament here to find out how these heroes compare. When I first started playing on the forum, I always started with Alkin for some reason... On water maps, Voy might be popular...

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And there's also Gervulf with a cannon.
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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The discussion here is about the Swamp creatures from Dungeon, while in Fortress there isn't much debate, everyone knows who's the strongest there :). At least in the current version.
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I agree))) But you can create a confrontation between Tiaz and Bron/Wistan in Fortress, there's no need to even touch Brogh.<
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Actually, many heroes can start in the swamp map, not just Tazar. Bron, Vistan, Broghild, someone might even want to try Dragon or Alkin, and Korback is also a possibility (scouting and attacking). Perhaps a larger tournament could be organized here to determine how these heroes compare. When I first started playing on the forum, I always started with Alkin for some reason... On water maps, Voy might be popular...

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There's also Gervulf with a cannon.
See the first post.
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I remember playing against a skilled player on a forum, and he started with Broghild in Shades of Darkness. This means there are people who would like to start with Broghild. I would start as Broghild!
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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And there's also Gervulf with a cannon.
Okay, this is already too much. Compared to Gurnisson, it's just a water pistol. I wrote somewhere about the differences between the ballistae of Gurnisson, Peer, and Gervulf; I don't feel like rewriting it now, let alone searching for it.
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