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Posts from Club championship of the CIS countries.
Kostya, Kyiv chose Captain again. When only 9 people voted for Kyiv, and the Moscow qualifier hadn't even taken place yet, not to mention the Minsk and Dnepropetrovsk qualifiers, Captain was already writing about Kyiv's victory in the vote. And this manner of his, writing nonsense with a confident air, has brought him success on forums many times; it's designed to make most forum users believe anything if someone says it confidently and with a knowing look. Besides, he skillfully shifted the focus from the vote for the location, which, in my opinion, was illegitimate, to the vote regarding the version, template, and so on. He distracted attention. And if someone other than me and a couple of people who know Captain too well and didn't fall for his trick, and who looked ahead, had done so, they would have seen what this could lead to. As a result, we have what we have. Two months before the final, Captain managed to quarrel with half of the finalists, unilaterally rejects the results of the qualifiers, decides who will go, and so on. To be honest, I, and I'm sure most sensible people, don't need such a championship. By the way, it's not over yet; I think Michurinsk can easily handle organizing the championship. And regarding Nagan, I agree with you on some points. Eric, you really are one of the most respected people in the Heroes world. Put your modesty aside. Be more decisive. Say it, and that's it. Then different "tsars" and "captains" won't ruin your ideas.
The whole post is right on the mark. +1 to everything
All for Ekaterinburg +1 for Michurinsk once again.
Geographically, it's much more convenient for us. Besides, it's much more important HOW the Tournament will be held than WHERE.
And with such a wonderful group of people gathering, I think they can organize a decent cultural program anywhere.
Pelyad, (some kind of fish), how could you even... how could you even... Who entrusted the organization of the final to Captain? Doesn't he already have some kind of mental issue?! It's disgusting to read this nonsense! What kind of "General" CIS Championship is this, and how does it promote overcoming the Schism within the Heroes community, with such outstanding personalities like Mr. Tsar?! At best, the argument will continue for another "ten" pages, and at worst, half of the participants won't even show up because of such organization!?
They took an excellent, repeatedly proven organizer, who has everything needed to make the tournament actually happen and be held at the highest level. What were they thinking?! They chose Kyiv to "see the sights," or to actually gather and play Heroes properly?! Most importantly, besides experience, Eric has personal qualities that are so necessary in this business, which Captain seems to have lacked since childhood, judging by his communication on the forum: diplomacy, the ability to find a compromise, impartiality, the ability to lead people, respect... and now this upstart will "lead" us, who can only rant on forums.
Ugh, what a terrible tournament... It's already hard to get away from Siberia, and with such arrangements, the desire to participate disappears altogether. -1, I'd rather go to Radu in Michurinsk, where I can at least play Heroes seriously and have a pleasant conversation.
This matter doesn't directly concern me, but everyone who participated in the Kyiv event will confirm that Captain is two different people on the forum and in real life. Besha, who always speaks the harsh truth, changed his opinion after the qualifiers.
To Captain: don't rush things, at least listen sometimes, people are saying something worthwhile. Otherwise, all these qualifiers will be in vain.
This matter may not directly concern me, but everyone who participated in the Kyiv event can confirm that the Captain is two different people online and in real life. Besha, who always speaks the blunt truth, changed his opinion after the qualifying round.
An excerpt from what I wrote on October 5th (before the Kyiv qualifying round) in a private message to someone on the portal (apologies, but the original style and spelling are preserved):
And Navukhu, please, try to keep your mouth shut. This is advice for the future. He's the kind of person who can ruin everything with just one word. You'll be playing in the Kyiv tournament, and you'll get to know him better. He might present himself in the best possible light there. But don't be fooled; in some tournament or in a controversial situation, he'll mess everything up again.
This matter doesn't directly concern me, but everyone who participated in the Kyiv event will confirm that the Captain is two different people online and in real life. Besha, who always speaks his mind, changed his opinion after the qualifying round.
Yes, I personally thanked him on the Angel portal for organizing this qualifying round and expressed my respect! He did a good job there, that's a fact. But here, he's just talking nonsense, and it's getting annoying!
Just for this phrase:
Captain (20:19:02 10/03/2010)
and as the organizer, I can tell you to go... far away.
He should be the one sent far away! And why did he suddenly become an organizer? You can't appoint yourself, and no one will appoint you. Nagan is the organizer of all this, period, even though he was absent for a while! And if Kep has the desire, let him organize the meeting itself, the cultural program, the club, the accommodation – we would only be grateful, it would be a PLUS! But let him not interfere with his biased persistence and constant focus on the game version, voting, rules, who should go and who shouldn't, etc.! Because his approach to all of this is already sickening!
Тот, кто борется - может проиграть, кто нет - проиграл уже (с) В прошлом "Координатор турниров Лиги Героев" (www.heroesleague.ru)
So, what's all the fuss about if there's no fight?
Well, I understand that there are people who don't like me – Dust, Ketch – they're not on board, but arguing is right up their alley. :)
Dust, did you even read why I wanted to send Mizrael packing? Because I politely messaged him on ICQ, and he responded with insults. And following Vik's advice, I'm not going to put up with that – if someone insults me, I won't just sit here and cry.
What are you yelling about now? Have you chosen a version? Have you chosen templates? Have you chosen rules?
Now, the only question left is who will go if Keba and/or Eddie can't make it. It seems like this question has already been resolved – Stinger is going from Michurinsk. He told me and Forrest that yesterday on ICQ. He's not a kid either, so he won't be running back and forth... What will he do if, right before the tournament, Keba suddenly says he can go?
Darth was right – it's easier for Vik and me to sort things out on ICQ. :) And Vik was right too – without some drama, there's no interest in the tournament... we just need to keep it a little quieter. And criticism never hurt anyone. I'm aware that I'm just pushing Vitalik into the finals, and Vik is helping him along... and I don't know why we both need this. :)\br Regarding the criticism and communication on ICQ – it's been a madhouse for me these past few days. Some are constantly saying that TE-rule is great, and TE-lite sucks, while others say that TE-lite is great, and TE is not. They're also complaining that the HL templates are the same, and that the main idea of the tournament – UNITY – couldn't be realized in Moscow. That's what I'm talking about – since Vik said that he helped organize the tournaments in Moscow and Michurinsk, I'm publicly voicing my criticism of his work (so that we don't repeat these mistakes): 1. Stinger and Preds participated in two tournaments, and it's unclear where they should be placed (as an example, what would happen if Stinger went from Moscow and Keba suddenly "appeared"). 2. Stinger was given a player with 1 point in the 4th round – a clear mistake by the judge. 3. Vova was given all the saves, and then they started hinting at his dishonesty. Honestly, I'd like to invite Vova to Kyiv just for that. Besides, someone said that he performed well in the qualifiers. 4. Vitalik – well, I've already stated my position on this – the guy was labeled a cheater, and they don't want him to atone for his "sins." I was also told that Eddie was banned on Battle.net – they seem to be quite "democratic" over there. And yet, no one is yelling about Eddie, who honestly won in Moscow against Pit and Vitalik and took 1st place.
So, let's continue arguing... you're welcome. :)
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
By the way, it's not too late yet; I think Michurinsk can easily handle organizing the championship. And regarding Nag, I agree with you on some points. Eric, you really are one of the most respected people in the Heroes community. Stop being so modest. Be more decisive. Say it and stick to it. Then, various kings and captains won't undermine your ideas.
I hope that this is exactly why I earned my reputation in our community – because I always try to keep my word.
If I had immediately stated in the first post that I would make all the decisions, that the final would be in Michurinsk, etc., the tournament wouldn't have gained as much traction. The people on the Portal, veterans of the St. Petersburg tournaments, old league players, and even new players, wouldn't have been too happy with such an overconfident post. Look at the current reaction to Captain's posts.
In the beginning, in 2008, on our forum, I didn't always consult with the players as much when pushing ideas. There were very few players then, and we didn't have much experience. There were about ten of us, and we would discuss the problem during the day on ICQ and make a decision right away. And we were all ideologically very close to each other.
Now we have a large forum, many strong players, and they are all very different. If I continue to use the old methods, I will look foolish.
I believe that I did everything right with the club championship. The idea resonated with everyone, and all those who could participate did so, and the competition was excellent.
The vote for the location was also fair – everyone justified their opinion on the forum.
Basically, all that remained was to finalize the vote on the templates and announce the results. This is where things got complicated, but the situation isn't hopeless. I'll explain how I see it from the outside.
1. A revote cannot be held. There was an agreement about this, here on the forum. Captain will undoubtedly be supported by people like Forrest, Volodimer, Aldegir, Keba, Dzhavdet, Roland, some from St. Petersburg, most of the Phoenix players, etc.
And I would vote "FOR" myself if I lived in Ukraine or wanted to go to that city. Moreover, Captain will have strong support, and these are respected people. I don't want to divide the Heroes community for no reason.
Precisely because I invested a lot of effort in organizing and running the club tournament, I am in favor of Kyiv.
2. What is the strength of an organizer? The ability to be unobtrusive and not annoy the players.
3. It's definitely time for the finalists to prepare for the final.
It was immediately decided that the final version would be TE-lite. It is good primarily because it allows both the SoD and TE players to save face. Because TE would cause an explosion of outrage from the SoD players, and vice versa. It's pointless to read the arguments of both sides for the hundredth time; the preference is already ingrained – like the fans of Army and Spartak in football.
We just need to count the 5 leading templates on the forum and announce them. That is, any player only needs to know at least three of them to perform well in the final.
4. Determine the finalists. Definitely determine who will not be there and who will replace them. Write down the candidates from the people who took 4th-5th place in the tournaments and are able to come.
And ask the finalists to vote for the candidates themselves! That is, who do the best players think are worthy of playing with them from those who took 4th-5th place.
This is fair, since the candidates were not able to qualify officially, they were slightly weaker.
Public opinion will be calm, there will be no favoritism or nepotism.
In general, I would do it like this: Kyiv, TE-lite, 5 templates, all finalists who want to come + the best of those who took 4th-5th place, chosen by the finalists.
People will calmly prepare for the final.
I can also organize a good championship. But not in May, otherwise it will seem like I'm undermining Kyiv. But, for example, in the summer.
I guarantee a strong lineup, and a warm welcome too. Let's say, mid-June.
4-5 rounds of Swiss, poker, bowling, barbecue.
Until Eric takes all this mess into his organizational hands, I don't need such a tournament. Keep arguing, disputing, and bickering... whoever has the time and desire for it, I'm out. :-)
Тот, кто борется - может проиграть, кто нет - проиграл уже (с) В прошлом "Координатор турниров Лиги Героев" (www.heroesleague.ru)
Michurinsk is more convenient and preferable to me in every way. But Moscow wasn't asked... Apparently, they are no longer worthy. Thank you for not sending me there.
What worries me most about Kyiv is the lack of an organizer at the organized event. Captain immediately said that he would not be in the city at that time, and confirmed this to me in ICQ. And the preparation alone is not even half the battle in such a matter.
Captain
And no one is shouting about Eddie, who honestly won against Pete and Vitalik in Moscow and took 1st place.
Yes, Eddie received a humanitarian restart from me after losing. The fourth point was given to him because it no longer mattered.
P.S. I'm not shouting, I'm just stating facts.
I hope that this is precisely why I earned my authority in our community — because I always tried to keep my word. If I had written right away, in the first post, that I alone make all the decisions, the final in Michurinsk, etc... the tournament would not have achieved its mass participation. People on the Portal, veterans of the St. Petersburg tournaments, old League members, and even new players would not have liked such a self-confident post — just look at the current reaction to Captain's posts.
Don't compare yourself to Navuh. You have authority; he has nothing. The only positive thing he has done for the Heroes community is the qualifier in Kyiv. But besides that, how many qualifiers have there been? Why do none of those who organized them allow themselves to speak in the insolent and insulting manner of Captain?
Now we have a large forum, many strong players, very diverse — by using the old methods, I'll look foolish.
You would look perfectly normal. It's your idea, and you should be the one pushing it forward, not handing it over to people like Navuh.
1. A revote cannot be conducted. There was an agreement made here on the forum. Captain will undoubtedly be supported by people like Forrest, Volodimer, Aldegir, Keba, Dzhavdet, Roland, some St. Petersburg players, most of the Phoenixes, etc.
Who is talking about a revote? To see through the vote that, with Navuh's blessing, was decided in favor of Kyiv not even by a simple majority, but by 31%. Now look. Just because of Navuh's personality, several people might not come to the final, while I doubt that the people you listed would not come to Michurinsk. Moreover, everyone has heard much more good about you as an organizer, and many have seen it firsthand, than about a man who has run just one tournament.
I myself, if I lived in Ukraine or wanted to go to that city, would vote "YES". Moreover, Captain will have solid support, respected people. I have no intention of splitting the Heroes world without reason. Precisely because I put a lot of effort into organizing and running the club tournament, I am for Kyiv.
It's already split now. And only because of one person. Wouldn't it be easier to send that person packing and continue preparing for the final? By the way, I doubt that in a city of over two million like Kyiv, there isn't a second organizer to replace Navuh. Any of the people you listed would handle it, I think, no worse.
2. What is the strength of an organizer? The ability to be unobtrusive, not to anger players.
Something Navuh lacks entirely. All he does is provoke pointless arguments with his behavior.
When Captain personally chose Kyiv as the venue for the final, while simultaneously insulting the Siberians and Yekaterinburgers, I tried to speak up here and say that he was wrong, but few paid attention to my words. I fell silent, just watching how the preparations went. The result was exactly what I expected. Captain put on his crown again and imagined himself the center of the universe. First the version, now the lineup... Doesn't anyone see that he doesn't care about the finalists' opinions? He only sees the posts that suit him. Damn it, take the blinders off and look closely. He's really ruining the tournament idea that Nagan came up with!
He's really ruining the idea of the tournament that Nagan came up with!
No one is ruining anything. What is all this pointless chatter? They're just not going to let him ruin it, which is already happening. I'm reading this and I can clearly see the reason for the schism is the dispute over the location. All this negativity towards Captain as a person, led by Ketch and Co., is actually aimed against Kyiv, not against Kep. Nagan has already made it clear that he supports Kyiv, so what's with all the fuss? It seems like a couple of people (not participants) are trying to dissuade/convince Nagan to change his opinion? Why are you all shouting so loudly? If a few people don't like the organizer, that's one problem. If a group of participants doesn't like the organizer, that's a different problem. And if it's critical, then someone is needed who can satisfy everyone. The question is - how to determine this criticality? 2-3 people on the forum can shout louder than the other twenty, so what now? Why don't you vote, but stop fueling the fire of discord.
Come on, there isn't a strong organization in Kyiv. And are we to blame for that??? That the entire Heroes community developed separately from us!!! We ourselves admitted that we don't have experience in such events, but we will try to do everything possible to organize the final properly!!
By siding with the offended, you are already setting yourselves up for some kind of misunderstanding))) There was a post where it was outlined who would do what, and it wasn't just one person!!! If you want to blame everything on inexperience and a lack of clarity in organizing the tournament, please do, that's how it is!!! But we want to gain this experience so that in the future, everything is at a level that no one can criticize)))
No one is ruining anything. What is all this fuss about? They simply won't let him ruin it, which is already happening. I'm reading this and I can clearly see that the reason for the Schism is the dispute over the location. All this negativity towards Captain, as a person, led by Ketch and Co., is actually directed against Kyiv, not against Kepa. Nagan has already made it clear that he supports Kyiv, so what's with you guys again? It seems like a couple of people (who are not participants) want to dissuade/convince Nagan to change his opinion? Why are you all shouting so loudly? If a few people don't like the organizer, that's one problem. If a group of participants doesn't like the organizer, that's a different problem. And if it's critical, then it means someone is needed who can satisfy everyone. The question is, how do you determine this criticality? Two or three people on the forum can shout louder than the other twenty, so what now? Just vote, but don't fuel the fire of discord.
Yeah... Ketch is constantly yelling here. I intervened twice. First, when Navukh insulted the Siberians and people from Yekaterinburg, making it clear that their opinion doesn't matter to anyone. The second time is now, when he ignored the results of the vote and then started to personally determine the composition of the participants in the final. And what does Kyiv have to do with it? I wrote that Michurinsk would be: 1. More convenient overall. That is, more of the selected participants will be able to come there. 2. Nagan is there, and in terms of organization, conflict resolution, friendliness, and other positive qualities, he would give Navukh a billion points, not just a hundred. They chose Kyiv, they like it more than Michurinsk, so be it. But let a normal, adequate person, like Forrest or Volodimir, who won't make the same mistakes, run it.
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We ourselves admitted that we don't have experience in such events, but we will try to do our best to organize the final properly!!
Well, then organize it. Organize it calmly, what does Navukh have to do with it? You know, appointing Navukh as the organizer of such an event is like choosing Hitler as the president of Israel, sorry for the comparison.
You know, appointing Navukh as the organizer of such an event is like choosing Hitler as the president of Israel, sorry for the comparison.
Calm down :) Sanya is an excellent organizer; I've seen it myself in real life. It's just his communication style on the forum. I don't think it's worth resorting to such comparisons without knowing the person personally.
We've decided on the version. The basic version will be TE-Lite, but all versions will be available at the club – agree and play what you want; if not, TE-Lite, please. We've decided on the templates. What's the problem? Sanya doesn't decide who will come from the qualifiers (Moscow, etc.); it's not within his competence. You can just talk to him, but that doesn't mean that if the organizers of Moscow and Michurinsk decide that Mizrael should go, and Captain is against it, Mizrael will be kicked out of Kyiv. We need to be calmer about this.
Please, everyone, just ignore Ketch's posts. He's as usual hearing bells but doesn't know where they are.
I talked to almost every finalist from Yekaterinburg and Siberia.
Yekaterinburg - Alone is going, Merlin and Mee too.
Siberia - as I understand, only VAN will probably come. Dust isn't coming, so he's cheering for Michurinsk. And I understand him; the same would happen if Michurinsk had been chosen – Ukrainians would be protesting.
As for Israel, the qualifier in Kyiv showed everything. We all wore prison uniforms, and no one could say a word.
But there was a lot of "democracy" in Moscow... a lot of dissatisfied people from Moscow... I already wrote about this; I feel sorry for Vova the most, and for Vitalik too.
And there was confusion with double participation and the calculation of coefficients.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
Samurai
