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Gur
Cash!

It's obvious that Drnik and Crabbi were killed by the same player. If there's evidence against Vishmaster in Drnik's case, where did you find it in the description of Crabbi's murder?

Sincerely,
Gur
To be honest, I didn't even look. It's not my area of expertise.
I'm satisfied with the fact that there's one, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT certain piece of evidence against Vishmaster, which indicates that he killed Drnik. Perhaps the second piece of evidence against him is even more difficult to find; I don't even want to rack my brains about it.

And it's also obvious to me that you, Gur, and Hermit don't see the obvious.
Probably, you don't want to see it...
Why? (up to 10 characters)
I'm not claiming that. But that's how it seems to me, so I don't want to accuse him. It's exactly the case of the presumption of innocence, where you can say, "I'm not sure, so I won't vote yet."
Maybe, but why is Vishmaster being targeted then?
Believe me, it's impossible to "expose" someone while standing alone in the middle of the city and waving your arms in the air. If I were a Mafia member, the "expose" would be more organized. But the Witch and Pandora are just smart, reasonable people.

And Tieru is Mafia
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Witch!

Durnik was a murderer who intended to kill Hermit, but due to the efforts of a rebellious soul, he ended up destroying himself. Something like that... It makes sense that he committed suicide at his own home.

Sincerely,
Gur
"Пришел, увидел и пропил..."

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Where is the evidence linking DrNik to DrNik? Be consistent – if you suspect something, look for facts to confirm it.

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By the way, a cake is not a pie =) How many times did DrNik get upset when he was presented with evidence involving cookies/cakes and other random baked goods? =) + the chance of suicide is minimal.
Если кто-то тебе противоречит, подумай: может, он не прав? (с)

Говорят, что рыжие не плачут,
Говорят, душа у них - огонь.
Если влюблены, то любят значит,
Если ненавидят - их не тронь!

"Не заблуждайтесь. Рыжие - это зло! Знаете кто был рыжим? Иуда... Что сделал Иуда? Иисуса предал - вот что! Я говорю вслух то, о чем другие только думают. Рыжие опасны. И однажды ночью, когда вы будете спать в своих кроватках, рыжие придут за вами... Они придут за вами!!!"
(с) Эрик Картман
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I'm not claiming that. But that's just how I feel, which is why I don't want to label him. It's exactly the kind of situation where the presumption of innocence applies, and you can say, "I'm not sure, so I won't vote yet."

Well, with the same logic, you could also say that Wishmaster is a rebellious soul.
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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Witch!

Please explain why the chance of suicide is so small?

Sincerely,
Gur
"Пришел, увидел и пропил..."

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There are two quite reasonable clues for Wishmaster!
For Brack, the clue for the first murder is frankly far-fetched, and the idea with TaCo is quite competitive with it.
Wishmaster is most likely a Soul Eater - he has a targeted double ability: he is definitely more dangerous.
Brack or TaCo - one of them is an Archon: but this is not definitive for a final decision, IMHO.
I don't understand you, Hermit=/

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Gur, are you going to start explaining probability theory now?=)
Anyway, I've said everything - decide for yourselves.
Если кто-то тебе противоречит, подумай: может, он не прав? (с)

Говорят, что рыжие не плачут,
Говорят, душа у них - огонь.
Если влюблены, то любят значит,
Если ненавидят - их не тронь!

"Не заблуждайтесь. Рыжие - это зло! Знаете кто был рыжим? Иуда... Что сделал Иуда? Иисуса предал - вот что! Я говорю вслух то, о чем другие только думают. Рыжие опасны. И однажды ночью, когда вы будете спать в своих кроватках, рыжие придут за вами... Они придут за вами!!!"
(с) Эрик Картман
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Witch!

Apparently, you know probability theory better than I do. Although, what does it have to do with this?
Let me rephrase the question: why, in the case of a rebellious spirit corrupting a neutral dwelling, is suicide less likely than the spirit killing someone other than itself?

Sincerely,
Gur
"Пришел, увидел и пропил..."

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Okay, let's popularize the Werewolf game:
There were 18 players in total. 1 werewolf.
That means the werewolf had to choose from 17 players.
The chance of choosing the werewolf is 1/17. The chance of choosing anyone else (not the werewolf) is 16/17.
1/17 < 16/17 - it's obvious.
Если кто-то тебе противоречит, подумай: может, он не прав? (с)

Говорят, что рыжие не плачут,
Говорят, душа у них - огонь.
Если влюблены, то любят значит,
Если ненавидят - их не тронь!

"Не заблуждайтесь. Рыжие - это зло! Знаете кто был рыжим? Иуда... Что сделал Иуда? Иисуса предал - вот что! Я говорю вслух то, о чем другие только думают. Рыжие опасны. И однажды ночью, когда вы будете спать в своих кроватках, рыжие придут за вами... Они придут за вами!!!"
(с) Эрик Картман
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Dark angel of sorrow, let's rest,
Let's sit on the branches, be silent in the quiet...
What is there in the sky that is worth
Falling on the stones, either for you or for me?
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Witch!

Why all these complications?
The main thing is that the possibility existed. And it most likely was realized. For a rebellious spirit, all 17 other players are absolutely equal in the first night. And the fact that the rebellious spirit, pointing a finger at the sky, happened to choose the murderer can be called anything: luck, chance, fate, etc. The essence of this does not change.

Sincerely,
Gur
"Пришел, увидел и пропил..."

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Wedma
Okay, let's get the Werewolf game going:
There were 18 players in total. 1 rebel spirit.
So, the rebel spirit had to choose from 17 players.
The chance of choosing the murderer is 1/17. The chance of choosing anyone else (not the murderer) is 16/17.
1/17 < 16/17 - it's obvious.
I think it doesn't happen that way. I think she just chooses the mafia and says who she will redirect the attack to.

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And she doesn't know if she's redirecting the attack to the murderer or not. No questions. I just didn't understand it at first.
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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The day will end in 25 minutes.
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Ah, people...
First, Gur:
For a rebellious spirit, all 17 other players are absolutely equal on the first night.
And I provided the calculation based on the equality of all possibilities. Gur, it's pointless to try to prove anything to you: the Mafia's actions are an example of this.
You'll listen to everything now and leave.
Besides, you ignored:
Wedma
Where is the evidence against DrNick near DrNick? Be consistent – if you suspect something, look for facts to confirm it.
You still haven't provided them – or is that also fate?))

I'm not a fatalist to believe in this nonsense.

Now, Hermit:
She just chooses the Mafia and says who she will redirect the attack to.
That's right: she chooses the Mafia, and then she chooses a target from 17 (on the first night, a lone player has exactly this choice). That's right – she doesn't know. But we calculated the probability of this outcome, so it's precisely by not knowing the killer that the equality of possibilities is achieved
Если кто-то тебе противоречит, подумай: может, он не прав? (с)

Говорят, что рыжие не плачут,
Говорят, душа у них - огонь.
Если влюблены, то любят значит,
Если ненавидят - их не тронь!

"Не заблуждайтесь. Рыжие - это зло! Знаете кто был рыжим? Иуда... Что сделал Иуда? Иисуса предал - вот что! Я говорю вслух то, о чем другие только думают. Рыжие опасны. И однажды ночью, когда вы будете спать в своих кроватках, рыжие придут за вами... Они придут за вами!!!"
(с) Эрик Картман
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Gur
Witch!

Why all the complications?
The main thing is that the opportunity existed. And it most likely was realized. For a rebellious spirit, all 17 other players are absolutely equal in the first night. And the fact that the rebellious spirit, by randomly choosing, happened to pick the murderer can be called anything: luck, chance, fate, etc. The essence of this does not change.

Sincerely,
Gur
And that is possible.
Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!
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