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To antonag07)) What does utopia have to do with it? You can take utopia with Necromancers on the 3rd week, or even the 2nd. You're talking about level 30, or even higher, but if you only play in Dungeon or on the surface, you definitely won't reach level 30 in 4 months. That's only possible if you clear the entire map and all the resources, and also find the "Dark Revelation" artifact – then maybe you can reach level 30, but no more. Are you going to sit in your castle and watch as others clear the map? I don't think so. And besides, I've only managed to reach level 30 once, and that was with the "Sacrifice Pit." Of course, I'm not very good at Multiplayer maps, maybe someone else always reaches level 30.
Added 8 minutes later JackFromShadowLand
What are you trying to achieve, peasant!? Antonag07, people like you are easily defeated... Damn, I can't wait for you (you agreed to these rules for no reason) to fail...
I'll definitely play a game with antonag07 sometime. He appears there regularly, but I can't seem to get our chat working. Yes, and what, are you not happy with the rules? Suggest your own. Mish-gun has definitely come up with a clever strategy, on a rich map with four gold mines and utopias, he will definitely take a second base for gold, and there will be a lot of knights, but I'm not really worried about that, because I have a new tactic against humans, so I'm calm.:smile26:
Эх, опять идти за сигаретами... :smile34:
Mish-gan
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The "Lands of Outcasts" map is one of the best multiplayer maps in Heroes 5, and everyone who enjoys playing with other people knows this! It can't be considered fair or unfair – it's generally well-balanced, both underground and on the surface.
For Krestyanin-ZOMBIE, the rules are quite acceptable, especially for Necropolis (+a second Castle). I repeat, I won't be taking a second Castle. Before the endgame, you can check; if I cheat, you can automatically declare me the loser! One is enough for me to train at least 100 Paladins within the specified time.
If that's not enough for you, I can play underground.
Regarding the level in "Lands of Outcasts," Krestyanin-ZOMBIE is right; you can reach level 23-25 on one "level" if you have education, and up to 27-28 with education. But if you don't disable the AI (as Krestyanin-ZOMBIE wants), you can reach level 30, of course, if you have education!
Added after 3 hours and 15 minutes For Krestyanin-ZOMBIE, if you don't mind, let's move the match to Friday, December 11, 2009, at 10:00 PM Moscow time?
Крестьянин-ZOMBIE
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Sure, play wherever you want, train as many Paladins as you like, take a second castle, I don't care. The problem isn't with your Paladins, but with having the right spells available in guilds and finding the right artifacts. For example, take the Plague spell. If it hadn't appeared, we'd be in trouble. Today, I was defeated by demons because this damn guild got that destructive beam. And the freaking computer gave me stupid skills, so I ended up in a complete mess. And at the beginning, I was clearly winning. So, even if I lose, I'll be cursing not myself, but the stupid computer. Or the developers who didn't bother to create decent dragons for the Necropolis. So, mish-gun, this is purely a scientific question, and who wins doesn't necessarily mean the game is good. Are you suggesting we skip the "match," or am I misunderstanding? Okay, if you mean playing on Friday, let's play on Friday, that is, tomorrow.
Come on, play however you want, train 200 Paladins, take a second Castle, I don't care. The problem isn't with your Paladins, but with getting the right spells and finding the right artifacts in the guilds. For example, if Plague doesn't appear, you're doomed. Today, I was defeated by Demons because that damned guild had that destructive beam. The freaking computer gave me some stupid skills, so in the end, I was completely screwed. And I was clearly winning at the beginning. So, even if I lose, I'll be cursing the stupid computer, not myself. Or the developers who didn't bother to create decent dragons for the Necromancer. So, mish-gun, this is purely a scientific question, and who wins doesn't necessarily mean the game is good. Are you suggesting I give up on the "match," or am I misunderstanding? Okay, if you mean the game on Friday, let's play on Friday, that is, tomorrow.
Don't tell anyone else about the 200 Paladins, they'll laugh! We've already settled the Castle issue – I won't take it, although I'd like to, I'm a man of my word. You might be right about the spells, but this is more relevant for Heaven. Imagine if Anti-Magic doesn't appear; then, even 300 Paladins won't help, and it will be pointless to play! As for the skills, we're on equal footing, just like with anyone else, but that's what makes the game skillful – you have to make the most of what you have! So, we'll make your second Castle a Necromancer Castle for convenience and to increase the chances of getting the magic you need! This isn't an act of goodwill, but a desire to play against a strong opponent and prove to you that the Necromancer, even with an army that is two or three times larger than Heaven's, with all the artifacts and magic, will still lose to Heaven, especially Axel with Anti-Magic. I can't wrap my head around it – you're probably the only one who doubts this!
“So, even if I lose, I'll be cursing the stupid computer, or the developers who didn't bother to create decent dragons for the Necromancer” - that's why I don't even want to play with you, and I think anyone who reads this will think twice before writing something!
No one is talking about the quality of the game! You can't judge based on a single game! For that, you need to play many battles and with different factions!
Крестьянин-ZOMBIE
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Wow. Three times as much, and with any artifacts, castles (and skills)! That's just impossible. I think, mish-gun, that you're definitely exaggerating, or you're really a very strong player, or you just think you are. You're already setting the condition that there should be anti-magic in the guild. Besides, initially... well, never mind, let's forget about these dwarves. I'd like to apologize a little to Axel; maybe he's not that bad after all.
Regarding the developers, I'm honestly not very happy with the dragons. They could have made them better. Especially compared to the preparation of humans, the amount of dark energy seems small. I repeat to you, mish-gun, that I didn't say that humans are a weak race, but if you really want to test it, and you're making such claims, then I'm ready to play. In general, I think everything will fall into place today.
Wow, 3 times stronger, and that's with any artifacts, spells (and skills)! That's just not possible. I think, mish-gun, that you're either exaggerating or you're a really strong player, or you just think you are. You're already setting conditions, like requiring anti-magic in the guild. Besides, originally... well, never mind, forget about the dwarves. I'd like to apologize to Axel; maybe he's not as bad as I thought. Regarding the developers, I'm not very happy with the dragons. They could have made them better. Especially compared to the preparation of humans, the amount of dark energy seems insufficient. I repeat, mish-gun, that I didn't say that humans are a weak race, but if you really want to test it, and you're making such claims, then I'm ready to play. In general, I think everything will fall into place today.
We'll talk about the dwarves later. To be honest, I specialize in dwarves, and I used to play as Axel until everyone stopped playing with me because of my overpoweredness. That's why I was so surprised when you called Axel a noob in the late game. It's like if you called Wingael a noob in the late game; I think Avenger would challenge you.
I agree with you that dragons are the weakest level 7 unit of all races, but their quantity makes up for their quality!
Actually, we won't be able to finish a game in one sitting; we need at least 6 hours, which is two days, but I even have an alternative idea so that we don't take up each other's time. I'll tell you about it in Hamachi!
Mish-gun, it seems you’ve stopped contributing to the thread, or are you waiting for the final version? Here’s another advantage of Necropolis: you can conquer Utopia using only vampires and without any losses. About 70 of them are enough to eliminate any number of creatures inhabiting it.
Mish-gun, it seems you've stopped contributing to the topic, or are you waiting for the final version? Here's another advantage for Necropolis – you can conquer Utopia with just vampires and without any losses. About 70 of them will be enough to eliminate any number of inhabited dwellings.
Most likely the latter! Regarding conquering Utopia with 70 vampires, I agree, it's quite possible! Actually, I conquer Utopia without any losses anyway – 4 angels and 15-20 knights! Necropolis just does it earlier!
Regarding Anti-Magic – Haven without Anti-Magic is like Necropolis without Dominate!
Крестьянин-ZOMBIE
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Just tried to defeat a Knight with two Castles. I was looking for a weakness in your seemingly perfect strategy of Knights + Antimagic. And I found it. The trick is that it doesn't protect against Vampire's paralysis. Also, you won't be able to resurrect or cast any good spells. Vampirism is much better in this regard (which I haven't tried yet). To be honest, I even started to get a little scared, the losses were quite significant.
Added 1 hour 27 minutes ago No, man, mish-gun, let's call off this bet. There's a high chance I'll lose, especially on the Outlands. On the surface, that cursed ring is lying around, which is a big problem for Necropolis. In the Dungeon, it's almost impossible to get through with that penalty, and the map is also bad. And there are too many Knights. You're basically right, Haven has more chances in the late game.
I just tried to defeat a Knight player using two castles. I was looking for a weakness in your seemingly perfect Knight + antimagic strategy, and I found one. The trick is that it doesn't protect against vampire paralysis. Also, you won't be able to resurrect or cast any good spells. Vampirism is much better in this regard (which I haven't tested yet). To be honest, I even started to get a little scared, as the losses were quite significant.
Hello. Of course, vampirism is a great thing, there's no doubt about that, but not against Necromancers. I need not only antimagic in the Magic of Light, but also some other magic + perks :rolleyes:! What scares me about Necromancers is not the vampires with their paralysis, but the spells of enslavement and berserk, which can completely disable my main units!
Added 2 minutes later And Heaven without antimagic, just like Necromancers without enslavement, is simply impossible!
Added 3 minutes later I'm glad you understood that! I have a suggestion for us to have a great battle. I have a special dueling map that is specifically designed for Necromancers! I guarantee you'll like it. I'll have a slightly smaller chance, but the endgame will be awesome! I'll try to tell you about it in Hamachi today
Крестьянин-ZOMBIE
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To be honest, mish-gun, I trained 103 Isabellas against 92 Banshees, but Axel really impressed me with his diplomacy. He gathered half the map. I don't know if you played that well, but as a result, the armies were almost equal. Maybe that was the reason for the defeat, and he also found a scroll with antimagic. I don't know what to do with it yet. Still, it's much better on the surface than in the Dungeon, and the artifacts are better too. True, I was playing two versus two. I also trained Retribution and Fallen Knight, which is also not bad (for a Knight). P.S. Send the map again - LORDdeSat@yandex.ru
Honestly, mish-gun, I trained 103 units of Isabella against 92 units of Banshees, but Axel really impressed me with his diplomacy. He gathered half the map. I don't know if you played that well, but as a result, the armies became almost equal. I guess that was the reason for the upset, and he also found a scroll of antimagic. I don't know what to do with it yet. Still, the surface is much better than the Dungeon, and the artifacts are better there. True, I was playing two versus two. I also trained Retribution and Fallen Knight, which is also not bad (for the Knight). P.S. Send me the map again - LORDdeSat@yandex.ru
Within the agreed time, I gather at least 120 units of cavalry, whether on the surface or in the Dungeon. I don't use diplomacy at all; I consider it cheating - the people who play with me on this forum won't let me lie! I always manage to clear the entire map, both on the surface and in the Dungeon; it's just easier to do on the surface! The only advantage of playing on the surface is the double damage against Merfolk! Artifacts in this map are generated randomly, both on the surface and in the Dungeon! The key to defeating the Necropolis is Antimagic (I already wrote about this; it's like Subdue for the Necropolis), and I won't tell you about the full build-up - it's intellectual property. I'll just say that it's special against the Necropolis!
If you still don't believe me, let's play again, same conditions - I'll be in the Dungeon!
JackFromShadowLand
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The conditions are terrible! With these, any Necromancer will be out of the game...
Модератор all4heroes.net/forum Он лежит на своих сокровищах,и в сердце его зависть и злоба. Не верь, что голова его склонилась во сне, если глаза его закрыты. Дракон не спит никогда.
The conditions are terrible! With this, any Necromancer will be at a disadvantage...
Be more specific and justify your statement, smart guy? What's terrible: The map? (which is one of the most balanced and popular, including on the anniversary edition) The late game? (we were initially talking about the late game) Maybe the fact that the Necromancer is in the Dungeon? That's not a problem, I'm ready to play underground! The hero? (we were talking about Axel) or The Necromancer having a second castle? The computers being turned off?
Let me enlighten you: in the late game against Haven (specifically Axel), the Necromancer is always at a disadvantage! My win rate: 70% to 30% in favor of Haven! The Necromancer has a chance, but it's minimal! If you doubt it, I'm ready to prove it!
Крестьянин-ZOMBIE
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To mish-gun: in principle, you can finish the game if you want; I'm actually curious how you'll manage to get at least 120 units with just one castle and without diplomacy. Regarding the generation of artifacts, I've found the cursed ring, which is a hindrance to Necropolis, three times in the same location, and I feel like it's not random. However, I didn't like that the second castle is Academy, because they don't produce many melee units; the only good thing is that you can buy artifacts, and the additional spell doesn't necessarily have to be Dark Magic.
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