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Offline PReDS
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In the qualifier in Michurinsk, in the third game of the series, the Rapper had 2 cat dwellings and either 2 or 3 dragon dwellings on his starting position – the dragon dwellings weren’t even painted. In the second game, 12 cats took 2 castles, and then all the covetous glances towards the dragon dwellings were stopped with one question: do you have the money?
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I also watched the game, starting somewhere around 125. Of course, everyone sees the game from their own perspective, and I naturally see it from mine.

So, let me say that your opponent is a quite good player!!! A good player's level is visible in the details. I especially liked the following moment, which perhaps no one paid attention to.

The foreigner ran up to hit 102 Pit Lords with upgraded harpies (you didn't hit them with Tazar, but holed up in the castle to replenish mana)!!!! I.e., the guy would have had around 50 harpies by 131, and he would have used them to kill the 102 Pits. It doesn't matter whether through Slow, Blind, or Berserk - the point is that he is capable of winning that battle with the forces he has, and without losing development tempo. Because Black Dragons appeared for him 2 days later.

As for clearing the respawn - I won't say anything, because I believe he cleared it quite decently. What's the point of taking external dwellings if there's no money to buy? Even with captured Utopias, there's still a gold deficit. Moreover, his income was higher, and he had more castles.

I don't claim to be the absolute truth, but this is my independent view. I personally don't know the foreigner and don't know him at all.

A quite good player will clear crypts and dwarf dwellings within a day or two's travel from the capital - that's where the money for buying from external dwellings comes from, and they will try, depending on the guards, to take the Dragon Fly Hive in week 1. The fact that the manticores and cats aren't painted can be attributed to the portal of summoning, but not taking 2 drakes, which is 4 potential black ones per week, can only be explained by low skill. Yes, and the air knight is untouched.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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Why didn't he take a Consul and a few Wyvern Hatchlings? This is a task that everyone solves in the second week in a beginner tournament (if we're talking about Jebus)! I cleared all my trees in the first game, and he couldn't do it in the entire game!
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A fairly good player will clear crypts and dwarf dwellings within a day or two's travel from the capital - that provides money for buying out from stashes, and will try depending on the guards to take Dragon Fly Hives on the 1st week. The fact that the manticores and cats are not painted can be attributed to the summoning portal, but not taking 2 drakes, which is 4 potential black ones per week, can only be explained by low skill. Yes, also the air knight is untouched.

All crypts, medusa dens, dwarf dwellings, and naga banks located along the road - are TAKEN !!!! Be objective !!! He took the gold mine and had 3 castles, against 2 for the opponent. This is his vision of the game, and he has every right to it...

By the way, what skill explains going into a utopia with unupgraded minotaurs?

In short, the guy played decently. The loss was deserved, there is no cheating there.
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By the way, what skill explains climbing into the Dragon Utopia with non-upgraded bulls?
There was a choice - lose 2 turns to upgrade the bulls (we were playing SoD, after all), or take them immediately. I chose the second option, of course. I believe that good tempo is an indicator of skill.

The question is - who did he use to take the second Dragon Utopia? Native troops + 4 drakes? The stats there are nothing! I don't believe he could even have taken the minimum!
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A fairly good player will clear crypts and dwarven treasuries within a day or two's march from the capital — that's where the money for buying from the Dragon Utopias comes from, and they will certainly try to take Dragon Fly Hives depending on the guards in the 1st week. The fact that manticores and wyverns are not painted can be attributed to the Summon Portal, but not taking 2 dragons, and this is 4 potential black dragons per week, can only be explained by low skill. Yes, also the Book of Air is untouched.
For Jebus Cross, not taking money-generating objects within a day or two from the road is a normal occurrence, temples are sometimes more important. A conclusion about the player's not-so-high skill can rather be drawn from the fact that only 1 scout hero is not of the first level, i.e. all battles were conducted exclusively by the main hero, the rest are just couriers. But such a picture fits quite harmoniously with a Dungeon development — planted a Clover of Destiny, got Fire magic, caught Armageddon in a Pandora's Box and worries about nothing else. The Book of Air is not a priority target for him — he hasn't even left his spawn yet, and jumping over guards is prohibited by the rules. What about GO, I still didn't understand, but judging by the description, it was fought with Anti-Magic on a stack of harpies, and then Armageddon.
And in general, it's not entirely ethical to talk about any suspicions without having turn records.

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Question — with what did he take the second Dragon Utopia? With native troops + 6 dragons? The parameters are terrible! I don't believe he could have taken even a minimal one at all!
Berserker works on green and red dragons — in 2 attempts it is quite possible.
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In general, here are the questions for him:
1) Why wasn't the Griffin Conservatory taken, along with any wood mine, given that Wyverns are gathered there on the second turn without any problem by any noob with daddy's artifacts?
2) How was the Dragon Utopia taken (I don't believe berserk was used)?
3) Why weren't the Air Book and the external dragon dwellings taken?
I'm sure he's a cheater.
By the way, after the game, he also behaved strangely: said he had to leave urgently and offered a draw. A draw, in theory, shouldn't have prompted me to analyze this game.

I just looked at the WCL table (we were playing for that rating). That player isn't there.

But whatever, I was mainly playing not to watch others, but to show myself )) Through the stream and discussion with viewers, I picked up on some new points for me.
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3) Okay, he didn't take the other non-dragon dwellings on the map, but besides that one he did take, there were 2(!) more that were left untouched.
I think the issue here is with the WCL rules (you can't capture two identical level 7 dwellings), which he consistently follows, and he always plays as Dungeon, usually on Jebus and Blockbuster. I haven't played with him myself, but I don't doubt his integrity.

2 StickyFingaz - the nickname of the player vbmf - number 145 on the ranking table.
Война фигня! Главное - маневры!!
А так играют Мастера! :smile13:
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Yes, absolutely! ))
The player's nickname is vbmf - he is number 145 in the ranking table.
I was looking for such a cool player in the top 50. Judging by the statistics, this guy is even more of a noob than I thought.
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3) Why weren't the air book and dragon external dwellings taken?

According to WCL rules, flight and Dimension Door are completely banned, so the air book turns out to be almost useless; I only took it myself if it was on the way... :D
Война фигня! Главное - маневры!!
А так играют Мастера! :smile13:
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The discussion about the tournament with NecroGoshan doesn't quite match our classic's words: "Women shouted hurrah and threw their caps into the air..."
But it doesn't quite sit right with me...
I suggest we brainstorm this idea (I won't create a new topic yet – it's still a bit rough):
A fan-learning tournament called "Lemming and His Friends" (or, as an alternative, "The Minor," has everyone read Fonvizin? "The Half-Grown"):
Pairs play: a "newbie" (or someone who wants to learn to play better), a "lemming," and his "uncle" (uncles?), the student plays, and his mentor, lounging lazily, sipping beer (tea, coffee, something else), gives instructions (advice, encouragement, shouts, offers "good..."). Both win and lose (how to quantify this, I haven't thought about yet...).
I'll say right away – it's not just about S&M (Strategic and Magical combat), and it might not even be just about SOD (a nod to the respected Vikka). But this question shouldn't become the main subject of discussion or bargaining. We need to work together, be more friendly...
Let's discuss it?
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I think it's a good idea, and I'll be happy to play as a duo with a strong player, listening to their advice.
Drink up, then I'll refill your glass...

Ты будешь жрать мир, или мир будет жрать тебя — в любом случае все о'кей, все идет по плану.
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Is it possible to integrate it with the "Novichok-2009" format? We just need to figure out how to address the issue of adhering to the principles of fair play in the current tournament... For the future, maybe Cash?
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I agree to participate as a newbie:smile01:.
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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Watching "noob-father" games is certainly interesting. But only because there's nothing better to watch. For example, I would be much more interested in watching a 2-sided broadcast of two "fathers," or even better, motivated "fathers" (in a tournament).
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