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Offline Kash
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Hey, is it just me, or is everyone else using the third Markov stack?
I always use the sixth one... :rolleyes:
I just tested it twice on this map – the archers, 3-4 knights, and an angel survive; I didn't even try to save the rest. I used 1 morale on the archers, from 2-3 available, and the griffins used 3-4 morale per battle.
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What should the marks in the 6th stack do? The marks on the grass near Valkyrie can run wherever they want and reach from the 3rd stack. But the creatures from the third stack might not make it if the griffins block the shortest path.
Otherwise, there doesn't seem to be much difference.
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I foolishly lost a match to a misanthrope.
I wonder if I could have won that battle or not???
Please try running a battle between "dad" and "mom"!!!
The save file is attached...

I already tested it with Dubrovin... well, I messed up by casting Haste first; I should have cast Mass Slow...

Victory is 100% guaranteed...

Thanks for your attention!
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"Пришел, увидел, победил" - Юлий Цезарь.
"Пришел, скастовал, убежал" - Hit'n'Run.

- Почему женщины любят кентавров?
- И мужик в доме, и скотина в хозяйстве.

Штирлиц шел по коридору. Вдруг одна из дверей открылась, оттуда выскочил Борман, дал Штирлицу сильного пендаля и заскочил обратно. «Гарпия» - догадался Штирлиц.
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Hey, is it just me, or is everyone else putting their third stack of Marks in the third slot?
I always put them in the sixth... :rolleyes:

Oh, Vitya... I've put them in so many different slots, I can't even remember, but I definitely put them in the sixth slot. However, I try not to stay in the Conflux for more than 2 weeks without Maslow, so I don't lose due to Morale... which I really hate, because I immediately give up...
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
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I foolishly lost a game to a misanthrope.
I'm curious, could I have won that battle or not???
Could you please simulate a battle between "dad" and "mom"?
The save file is attached...

I already tested it with Dubrovin... well, I messed up by casting Haste first; I should have cast Mass Slow instead...

The win rate is 100%...

Thanks for your attention!

I suggest we create a separate thread where we can share save files with interesting, roughly equal final battles, regardless of whether they are from experienced or novice players. The main criterion is the ambiguity of the battle's outcome. And maybe later, when we have a lot of them, we can hold a special tournament based on these final battles, similar to the Tournament Committee 3, but even better:smile14: !!! I'll probably start working on this topic tomorrow.
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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I suggest creating a separate thread where we can share save files with interesting and roughly equal final battles.

You're right, Kostya, very right, it's an excellent idea, and kudos for wanting to organize this activity!!!

After all, a lot, a very lot, depends on the final battle, and "analyzing" the final battle will definitely improve the skills of those Heroes players who don't consider it "beneath them" to test it!!!
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
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- Gurnisson vs. Tiraxor
Just finished the final match with ProtosArchon on WCL, where I managed to win thanks to my resistance to Cyclops working when Berserk was cast, and I was able to remove it from the Behemoths.
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final match with Gladiator on WCL as part of the Chaos Tournament.


Okay, here Shakti is clearly the favorite and has no competition, thanks for the save!:smile54:

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- Gurnisson vs Tiraxor
just finished final match with ProtosArchon on wcl, where I managed to win thanks to my resistance to Cyclops working when Berserk was cast, and I managed to remove it from the Behemoths.

Yeah, a very interesting final, here Tiraxor wins due to Berserk. I played the first match without Berserk, and it went in favor of Gurn.
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Лето 2010.
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I'm not creating a thread about final battles just yet. I'm thinking of doing it when I have a decent number of saves with them (around 20-30 good ones) so that we can immediately organize a tournament. If anyone wants to help collect such saves and organize things, please contact me on ICQ at 430405413. :) The general idea is this: each pair plays one final battle, taking turns playing as both sides, to ensure balance (I'm sure there will be many situations where, under equal conditions, the score will be 2:0 in favor of one of the players:rolleyes: ...).
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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It's okay, here Shakti is unbeatable and the favorite, thanks for the save!:smile54:
Yes, in this position, but if the Angels were in one stack, it wouldn't be so easy, and it also depends a lot on Turis' morale: in the game itself, it appeared only 2 times, and in moments that were not at all suitable for the Gladiator.
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Dear gentlemen, please take a look at the situation where I lost in a match on MaxCon (a tournament game against Vlk777).

Is it even possible to win with Gurnisson on level 122 without using ranged attacks?
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"Пришел, увидел, победил" - Юлий Цезарь.
"Пришел, скастовал, убежал" - Hit'n'Run.

- Почему женщины любят кентавров?
- И мужик в доме, и скотина в хозяйстве.

Штирлиц шел по коридору. Вдруг одна из дверей открылась, оттуда выскочил Борман, дал Штирлицу сильного пендаля и заскочил обратно. «Гарпия» - догадался Штирлиц.
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Dear gentlemen, please pay attention to the situation where I lost in a match against Vlk777 (tournament game).

Is it even possible to win with Gurnisson on day 122 without using ranged attacks?
If
1. You swap the archers and pikemen.
2. You manage to ensure that only white griffins attack the pikemen stack, and no other units do,
then there is a very slim chance of winning.

I have one knight and one pikeman left, plus all the archers. In one attempt out of ten. Is it worth it? :o)
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Hello everyone,
Yesterday, during a game with Javded, a rather awkward situation occurred. First, on week 3, there were two heroes named Caitlin: one was in the castle, and the other was in the treasure room with Gurnisson. The bug likely happened because I clicked on the castle a couple of times, and then the arrow somehow pointed to Caitlin, and on the next turn, there were two of them!!!
Second, on the way to the castle's secondary resource, there was Jabakras, but he wasn't displayed in the hero column. There's no explanation for how this happened!!!
Maybe someone can help me figure this out; the save file is attached below.
P.S. I managed to dismiss Jabakras to avoid confusion (we had to reload the save with Javded twice because of this). I click on the castle once, then on Jabakras, and move him a few squares away (even though he's not displayed). Then I click on him and dismiss him. Thank you for your attention.
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Hero duplication is a rather rare bug.
It happened to me twice in online games.
The hero duplicates when he is inside a Castle. If there are 8 heroes, one of them disappears from the list to avoid exceeding the limit of 8.
I don't know what causes it; it seems to happen randomly.
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