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Really cool! I can imagine how much fun it was there! It's just not clear why some people played 4 games, and others only played two... :(
But that's not the main thing, the important thing is that everyone had fun ;)
Respect to the organizers!!!! We will try to keep it at the same level!
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Really cool! I can imagine how much fun it was! I just don't understand why some people played 4 games, and others only played two... :(
But that's not the main point, the important thing is that everyone had fun ;)
Respect to the organizers!!!! We will try to keep it at the same level!

And what's not clear here, Kostya? Some people rush, some lose early, and some just take 5-10 minutes per turn, while others simply play longer - that's all...
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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What's so hard to understand here, Kostya? Some rush, some lose early, some just finish their games in 5-10 minutes, while others simply play for a longer time – that's all...
This is understandable, but is it fair? :smile32:
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Round 1
The following pairings resulted (the first listed won):
1. Captain vs besha
2. Forrest vs rebellious
3. Crag Hack vs Piterius
4. Aldegir vs Armagedda
5. Koстя-Н vs Sem_56
6. Javdet vs Lider
7. Volodymyr vs Neoandy

Round 2
1. Forrest vs Captain
2. Rebellious vs besha
3. Aldegir vs Crag Hack
4. Lider vs Sem_56
5. Javdet vs Koстя-Н
6. Volodymyr vs rebellious
7. Armagedda vs Piterius

Round 3
1. Captain = Neoandy
2. Aldegir vs Forrest
3. Sem_56 vs besha
4. Lider vs Crag Hack
5. Piterius - rebellious === Game not finished
6. Armagedda - Koстя-Н === Game not finished
7. Volodymyr - Javdet === Game not finished

After three rounds, the situation is as follows:
Aldegir 1+1+1=3
Forrest 1+1+0=2 - and a game from round 4 has been played
Lider 0+1+1=2
Javdet 1+1=2
Volodymyr 1+1=2
Captain 1+0+0.5=1.5
rebellious 0+1=1
Crag Hack 1+0+0=1
Piterius 0+0+1=1
Armagedda 0+1=1
Koстя-Н 1+0=1
Sem_56 0+0+1=1
Neoandy 0+0.5=0.5
besha 000

Round 4
1. Forrest vs Javdet

Due to the fact that some players played quickly, and others slowly, the rounds got mixed up - one is still playing round 1, while another is already in round 3 :)
But it seems that everything was like this. Players, please check me :)
If something is wrong, I will correct it.
In my opinion, we have a clear and well-deserved winner - Aldegir.
Forrest is not far behind him. These two players really played well and on time.
Third place could be taken by:
Lider
Javdet
Volodymyr
Armagedda
Koстя-Н

But, since Javdet won the game against Lider and Koстя-Н, he is, in my opinion, stronger.
Therefore, for 3rd place, we have:
Javdet
Volodymyr
Armagedda
There are a couple of options here - we can decide closer to the final meeting in May who can go, or ask Kyiv to send not 3 players, but 4 at least :)
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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The most important match for Volodymyr – Javdet was not finished. Its winner would have also taken first place. :rolleyes: Therefore, it would be logical to split the 2nd-4th places between them and Forrest. But since they decided not to finish it, they won't be playing it online now :D
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Since the conversation here has turned to long games, it's time for me to write about my own games :)

But first, about the atmosphere and other things.
I arrived early, but for the hero Sam_56, this was not an obstacle and he didn't take a restart, for which I'm very grateful — he met me at the platform at 7:34 AM! Aldegir came up to us, who introduced himself as Antal, but judging by the results — apparently not without reason :smile01:

We went to the club. Along the way, the thoughtful Sam_56 even had metro tokens for us so we wouldn't have to stand in line. I immediately felt a friendly and welcoming atmosphere.

When everyone had gathered, we started the drawing. I pulled scraps of paper with player nicknames from the Crazy Hat and kept waiting to draw myself and wondering if I'd immediately get a strong opponent. I drew Forrest, and everyone held their breath. The draw didn't pit us against each other. He got Rebelius, and I (as the second-to-last pair) got his worthy student — Vladimir, which upset both of us, since it was already clear we were knocking each other out of further competition.

And in fact — the game turned out to be worthy of the finals.
I took blue Dungeon, especially since Vladimir allowed me to leave him not Rampart but Castle as his opponent — as it turned out, his favorite town. We agreed on additional restarts for blocking and for meeting by day 116. Although this was less favorable for Dungeon, we wanted an interesting and full game. There was a generation where I already had an Angel and 2 Red Dragons with 130+ Troglodytes by day 113, but Volodya, seeing the Dragon Utopia not on the road, came to meet so as not to waste his restart on day 113 :(

We played a layout where I only got 1 stack of Troglodytes. I was already set on taking a restart, and the decision depended on the conservatory found at the respawn — it turned out to be a level 1 and fell on day 113 with the loss of 7 Troglodytes (about 70 remained). But there's the Angel — and the restart is canceled. Especially since there were also a secondary hero and an external Minotaur dwelling. Things went wrong with the money after buying for the conservatory. I went out onto the snow and sent the level 1 hero with Troglodytes to take a Tower — but ahead were several shooter blocks, which forced Shakti to help with the breakthrough instead of immediately going to another secondary. By this time, Volodya had already taken his secondary and saw a red flag in the tavern's first slot. But by day 115 — I surprised him by placing blue there ;) (2 secondaries on the same turn). For this, Shakti boldly broke through the Royal Griffins of LotS and conducted all fights only with the Angel. The other secondary turned out to be Rampart, which had a Stable, some money, and even a Hive! The tempo started to pick up, and I took a risk — I took the Hive at the beginning of day 117 to end the turn at the Stable. +4 Wyverns and 1 Angel. Shakti at the Stable. Scouting the respawn revealed another external Minotaur dwelling, but I couldn't take the first one — there was no money to buy, I could only place 1-5 in the Citadel. Especially since another conservatory was discovered near the Tower, and ideally after the Stable, Shakti was supposed to break into the Tower and take down that conservatory — but there was no money. Even resource exchanges at the markets yielded nothing — there weren't enough heroes for a chain. So Shakti ran on foot, lending the Angel to level 1 heroes mid-turn for clearing, and visiting stat boosters, but ultimately sleeping exclusively on the Angel. Shakti sensed a strength that clouded his eyes — and with that Angel, he wasn't afraid to even attack an external Minotaur dwelling :smile08:, but when he struck from wait, despite Expert Offense and not weak attack, the Angel did this :smile15: Killed only 1 Minotaur (the second had 10 HP left, and the retaliation took out 80!). In a panic, he cast Curse on the Minotaurs, but spell power 1 — sent him into shock — on the second round, they were as good as new. I thought Shakti's end had come :smile16:. But insight finally struck, and the Minotaurs were defeated :smile01:. If only that had taught a lesson...

There was a problem with Slow. Expert Earth was leveled up on the first day, but the Rampart guild gave only 2 Views for useful spells, and the expected Slow — no. I had to build a guild in the Tower too — there Slow was fine, and the level-3 conservatory fell without issue. The level-1 heroes formed a chain to the distant external Minotaur dwelling. I decided to give 3 Angels to Gunnar to avoid risking the Troglodytes from morale, which had increased slightly thanks to their dwelling and the Portal of Summoning. Shakti, through View Earth, saw that the passage from the snow secondary to the grass led not to the opponent, but to a treasury. At the entrance, a Shield +2, Naga Bank, and Dragon Utopia were visible. He headed there, intending to break the Dragon Utopia on day 131. Of course, I wanted to visit the Stable and Well at the start of week 3, but that would cost 2 days of tempo — it wasn't worth it, and I still had 19 mana. Here, Shakti, not having learned from the Minotaurs, attacks the horde of Griffins for the Shield +2, expecting there to be just over 50 of them, but he miscalculated — 98! Result — loss of an Angel, 2 days of tempo, but a consolation prize — the Stable and Well. I break back — take 2 Naga Banks there, buy out all the troops (didn't have enough money for Minotaur upgrade, decided quantity was more important in the Utopia). The Dragon Utopia was generous — a Book of Earth and Titan's Plate. I decide unequivocally to hit the Dragon Utopia and disturb the opponent. I marched boldly, after the doubled mana in the Dungeon, and although I was clearly behind in troops and battle stats (3 Angels left, 25 Minotaurs, 150+ Troglodytes, and 20+ Evil Eyes), I was glad to cast 2-3 Implosions for 1450 each and escape to buy on the next week with the money from the Utopia, finishing off the enemy with magic.
But Vladimir didn't flinch and used the Fire Magic (even without Wisdom) that was foisted upon him in a Pandora's Box. At first, I used Tactics to bunch everyone into a tight defensive formation, but I noticed smiles on the faces of Vladimir's watching supporters, and that tipped me off to Berserker :confused: I decided it would be absurd to fall for it that way and that it was better to take serious losses but blow up the ducks and the crossbow at Valkyrie's — without that, she wouldn't take the Dragon Utopia on her native respawn, and I would be left with external Minotaur dwellings and a Cats building in the favorites.
There was no Berserker there, but Blind played a cruel joke on me for the second time in a row, and under blindness, the Minotaurs left Shakti out in the cold already in the 2nd round, unable to escape or buy himself out.
Well done, Vladimir! A well-deserved victory :smile30:

We both played at practically maximum effort, so the game finished right up against the football match.

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Captain
There are a couple of options here – we can decide closer to the final meeting in May who will be able to travel, or ask Kyiv to send at least 4 players instead of 3.
I think it would be best to finish the tournament online, playing all rounds. This way, we'll have at least 6-7 players with 4 rounds and a decent Buchholz score.

Because the final is still far away, and it's unknown how many players will be from each city. There might be refusals, replacements, or disruptions in the qualifying rounds, etc.

For example, if Aldegira's wife doesn't let him go, and Forrest goes on a bender, who will represent Ukraine?
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Wicc
I think it would be best to finish the tournament online with the full bracket. So that there are at least 6-7 players with 4 rounds and a decent Buchholz score.

Because the final is still far away, and it is unknown how many players will be from each city. There may be rejections, replacements, cancellations of qualifying rounds, etc.

Let's say, if Aldegira's wife doesn't let him go, and Forrest goes on a bender, who will go from Ukraine?

+1, I don't see anything wrong with finishing the tournament online. And Forrest won't go on a bender, he doesn't drink :).
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Let's say, if Aldegira's wife doesn't let him go, and Forrest goes on a bender, who will go from Ukraine?

Maybe you should provide some normal examples? Why would I go on a bender? (I only drink a little beer, and that's it, throughout my life.)
You'll also write that someone will die.)

By the way, Volodymyr didn't play with Zhavdet.)
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I think it would be best to finish the tournament online with the full bracket. So that there are at least 6-7 players with 4 rounds and a decent Buchholz score.

Because the final is still far off, and it's unknown how many players will be from each city. There might be withdrawals, replacements, cancellations of qualifying rounds, etc.

Let's say, if Aldegira's wife doesn't let him go, and Forrest goes on a bender, who will go from Ukraine?

Yeah, right!!!
Here, it's not about who will go from Ukraine, but who will come to Ukraine (Kyiv)!!!!:p :)
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Yeah, right!!!
No one will travel from Ukraine, but rather, people will travel to Ukraine (Kyiv)!!!!:p :)
Firstly, it's to Ukraine, secondly, it hasn't been decided yet, and thirdly, people will still come because not everyone is from Kyiv.
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http://www.heroesportal.net/events.php?id=52
The photos are already posted on the portal! Great event!
Read the topic carefully:
Neoandy

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On the second day, I was matched against Prince of all Rus', Kyiv, Sir Capitan. To be honest, after this match, I can't bring myself to say "Navukh" (and Navukhodonosor is just too many letters :D). You'll be Sandro now ;) (his name is Alexander, and in our game, he took the Necropolis as his faction, Sandro). I was ready to redeem myself after the dungeon – a tossed coin landed heads up, and I went first again instead of red. But we both chose Rampart on Castle. We took all the restarts and started. No Elves, slow roads. No resources, no Hives. We got Armor and Tactics – so Kirill spent a long time running around with the basic logo, which was barely enough even with the stables. The red player was focusing on Sandro and openly threatened to overwhelm the poor Elves with an army of darkness, of which there were only 16 in our ranks by the second week! After taking both secondary towns, I realized that Kirill couldn't help me, and on day 125, I started building a Necropolis too! I bought Moandor in the tavern – after all, both secondary towns turned out to be Necropolises – only this could save the situation. I bought skeletons and went into battle. In just a few days, our ranks already numbered 250 skeletons. At this time, Valeska arrived as a scout at her native town, through the passage from which our scout had previously emerged. Sandro went through the secondary town, rightly believing that 250+ skeletons, supported by magic, would crush the Elves. I started telling Sasha that I was also building a Necropolis, but since he hadn't stood still for a single day without upgrading and hadn't been seen in the tavern, he didn't believe me. And meanwhile, a stables appeared in the Necropolis secondary town, 2 minimum-level conscripts :( and a Vampire Cloak! I had more skeletons :smile26: The transformer still helped. In the treasure, a Teapot appeared, which was an equal exchange for my capital and the slow movement across Sandro's native territory. But it wasn't that simple. The Teapot turned out to be behind a hill, which seemed to divide two underground treasures (i.e., one cave, but with two treasures inside, separated by this inconspicuous hill). I ran to the red player's secondary dungeon town (untouched), where there were +3 Angels, and we were already ahead in terms of troops – 5 Angels each, and I had over 500 skeletons. I broke into the Necropolis and entered the other treasure, which was supposed to lead to the Teapot (there was no map of the area, so it wasn't known for sure). There was a valuable artifact +1 to morale at the entrance, but it was guarded by Black Dragons. Still, the anti-morale from the Necropolis was sometimes very inconvenient, so I decided to attack, especially since there was a mercenary camp and a theoretical passage to the Teapot further on. The battles slightly reduced the number of skeletons, but later, for this artifact near the native capital, I received a whole 15 Vampire Lords! There was no passage to the Teapot, but right on the ground lay a ticket to it – a Blue Hat, but the guards were serious – 20+ Giants. I attacked – 7 Titans :smile11: I used all my wait points and gave them to the Elves (they weren't really important anymore). The Giants, as expected, ran forward, but the skeletons without Haste couldn't reach anyone. The Angels attacked the Titans and blocked them. But then the situation became more complicated – the Giants returned in the second round to protect the Titans :smile04: In the end, -3 Angels and 150 skeletons + Elves and someone else. Behind the Giants was a Utopia, guarded by (20+ Hydras) and also guarding the Thunder Helm. Well, then it became more interesting. I took the Helm (the Hydras only scratched the skeletons once with their morale attack). But I didn't dare to go into the Utopia – I was afraid that the skeletons would be slaughtered, and I didn't have enough mana for an explosion. I retreated to the Necropolis – 1 day's journey, and I replenished my mana to 140. With DD and Flight, and advanced air, it was already faster. Here, on this turn, Sandro appears and stands on a rush for the only time in the entire game! Moandor flies, jumps – but can't reach – he's not a logistics expert after all. And I decide to use Kirill, level 10, with expert armor. I give him all the troops (it's a pity he didn't have a book), and the battle of the weak against the main force begins (the red player had Christian – also not a complete weakling – 6-8 combat parameters). Kirill's expert armor decided the outcome. I could have saved 5 of my own horses, at the moment when it was decided whose skeletons would strike first (these 4 squares were divided by two level 1 Griffins), I calculated the moves, and due to the move before the skeletons, the red player's Marks would – my skeletons would strike first. But then the ducks let me down – instead of simply killing the Griffin, they fly back one square and open a passage for the Marks, the remnants of which become the second Griffin on the road, and my skeletons don't reach, but the opponent hits my horses, leaving only 1. In the next round, there was nothing to block with, and the same Marks passed the turn to my skeletons, which hit hard and left less than two hundred skeletons for the red player, who had to buy their way out. Kirill was also able to take the troops back. Sandro was left with 5 Angels and had to retreat. I, in turn, had a weakling in the rear, bringing reinforcements with 1 Angel, 25 combat Gnomes, and 12 Dryads. Now I can take the Utopia. But then I won't have time to take my own castle, and I might let Sandro go home. While I was pondering, we went to lunch at the "Puzataya Khata" :p After lunch, Sandro went on business. When he returned, we continued, although it was around 8 pm, and the match was coming to an end. Sandro started talking about a draw, but he didn't know that I had the Hat of 5 and the Thunder Helm. I wanted to fight for 3rd place, as we were talking about a total of 4 rounds and we would probably finish the game online. So, I didn't take the Utopia and flew to capture my own castle, so that I could rely not only on magic (meat is also needed). And then, hiding an Angel 1 day's flight from the capital, I see that Sandro is standing on a rush again, not far from the exit of the cave. It's too far for Moandor, but I decided to try anyway and kill the Angels, and maybe even Sandro himself :smile19: But I'm just 1 square short :smile41: In the end, I attack the weakling with a small army and don't have time to take my own castle on day 147. I had to attack on day 221 with a double production. Expert Ballistics (which I never take) broke through the gates immediately, but couldn't do anything with the ranged towers for 3 more rounds. Before that, Sandro broke through, and sent the Angels with the weakling to wander around in the rear of my town. Then Capitan offered to end the game (either a draw or finish it later online). I wanted to finish him off, so I asked for a couple more turns to check the Utopia. There wasn't enough TP for mobility, and without it, against what I thought were well-built Angels and other powerful units after 2 weeks and a treasure in the sands, with the prospect of uniting with 5 wandering Angels of the red player, there was a counterweight. We decided to flip a coin – if the Utopia gives a book of Earth, I win, if not – a draw. They gave a Titan Plate :eek:, but the agreement remained in force. And the opening showed that there were no Angels for the red player, just over 60 Marks, less than ten horses, and a hundred and a half skeletons, heading towards the poor treasure :smile05: The game turned out to be interesting and the longest in the tournament (no one finished before 2 months). We chose Rampart, and both played as Necropolises with slow roads. I'm especially happy with the pivotal decision to switch to Necropolis, despite the late stage of 125, which allowed me to repel the enemies and launch a counterattack. And, of course, with the friendly atmosphere, which turned out to be more important than all other ambitions. A fighting draw! :smile54:
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Firstly, regarding Ukraine, secondly, it hasn't been decided yet, and thirdly, they will go anyway because not everyone is from Kyiv.
Wicc, just tell me what you're writing here?
Just to contradict yourself?
Like, just to argue...
Believe me, we can sort everything out calmly without you :)
And someone was talking about Ukrainian football, and now you're writing about Fortress...do you really need to do that?

The photo report with comments on the portal from Gorbik and Verka is simply great!
Rebellius also promised to post photos.

Well, if there's a desire, then we need to choose one player out of three - are you all in agreement? Let's do it online. But it's just my opinion :) - it's not necessary. All three - Javdet, Volodymyr, Armagedda - are deservedly strong players, and any of them would be a real star in the Ukrainian team.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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I think it would be best to finish the tournament online, with the full bracket. This way, we'll have at least 6-7 players with 4 rounds and a proper Buchholz score.

Because the final is still far away, and it's unknown how many players will be from each city. There might be withdrawals, replacements, and disruptions in the qualifying rounds, etc.


Yes, but what if all the finalists fairly decide that it's not right to miss such an event as the final? Therefore, the players must be ranked, at least the top five. The players who finish in 4th and 5th place will replace those who drop out or fill the vacant spots in the final.
+1, I don't see anything wrong with finishing the tournament online.

There is something wrong with it. Let's say the players in the third qualifying round only play two rounds in the club, and the rest online.
The fourth qualifying round - one round...
And we'll hold the final entirely online. And the idea of live interaction will die.

Therefore, I ask the esteemed Captain to decide how the top three winners of the Kyiv qualifying round will be determined. Finish (what can you do - let them play online) the unplayed matches within a week or two.

But this is just a suggestion, well done Ukraine for organizing such an event.

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