Posts from - Units in Heroes 3

Their attack stat is too low! And their defense doesn't save them!

Yes, and I'm not feeling too well either!

Not everyone... But Gnol, Hornet, and Wyvern definitely need to be added!

Generally, the developers didn't put much effort into the swamp; you could say the town turned out poorly!

The only advantage of the Swamp faction is that their city is extremely difficult to capture!

You are right, especially if it’s in the city of Graal!

And all without the Grail! +2 to attack and defense, and a moat 2 cells wide! Plus, creature abilities!

Nah, I usually come with an army that's strong enough to easily overcome those obstacles.

I agree, it's quite annoying! You suffer significant losses when capturing a town, but building the same army in the field is no problem.

Hello everyone.
There are some results regarding unit classification. Once again, speed and abilities are not yet taken into account, but that's a minor detail. The main thing is that I have correctly derived the strength formula.

In this table, each upper unit is stronger than the one below it; i.e., if you calculate how many turns it takes for one unit to "kill" another, the upper one will kill the lower one faster.
For example, let's take the Pikeman and the Centaur. Assuming they hit each other simultaneously, the Pikeman needs 3.80952381 hits to "kill" the Centaur, while the Centaur needs 4.
-------------Damage---Avg.dmg--AtkSkill--DefSkill--HitPoints
Pikeman-------1-3------2.00-----4--------5--------10
Centaur---------2-3------2.50-----5--------3--------8

Another example:
----------------Damage---Avg.dmg--AtkSkill--DefSkill--HitPoints
Archdevil------30-40----35.00-----26--------28------200
Ancient Behemoth-30-50----40.00-----19--------19------300
The Archdevil will "kill" the Ancient Behemoth in 6.349206349 hits (avg. damage - 47.25), and
the Ancient Behemoth will "kill" the Archdevil in 6.451612903 hits with an average damage of 31

Request to those interested: please review the table, and if you find any bugs, let me know.
By the way, the results are quite interesting.

------Monster--Level-Params----avg.---------------------Score-per-----Score-per------General--
-----------------------Damage---damage--Atk--Def--HP----attack------defense-------score---
Archangel-----------7----50----50.00---30---30---250----4.00000---666.66667---166.66667
Titan--------------7--40-60---50.00---24---24---300----4.54545---571.42857---125.71429
Black-dragon------7--40-50---45.00---25---25---300----4.93827---600.00000---121.50000
Gold-dragon-----7--40-50---45.00---27---27---250----4.72813---555.55556---117.50000
Archdevil---------7--30-40---35.00---26---28---200----6.21118---470.58824---75.76471
Ancient-behemoth-----7--30-50---40.00---19---19---300----6.41026---461.53846---72.00000
Angel--------------7----50----50.00---20---20---200----5.00000---320.00000---64.00000
Chaos-hydra--------7--25-45---35.00---18---20---250----7.51880---400.00000---53.20000
Red-dragon-----7--40-50---45.00---19---19---180----5.69801---276.92308---48.60000
Green-dragon-----7--40-50---45.00---18---18---180----5.84795---266.66667---45.60000
Phoenix-------------7--30-40---35.00---21---18---200----6.96864---296.29630---42.51852
Ghost-dragon 7--25-50---37.50---19---17---200----6.83761---285.71429---41.78571
Giant-------------7--40-60---50.00---19---16---150----5.12821---206.89655---40.34483
Devil-------------7--30-40---35.00---19---21---160----7.32601---266.66667---36.40000
Behemoth-------------7--30-50---40.00---17---17---160----6.75676---228.57143---33.82857
Hydra--------------7--25-45---35.00---16---18---175----7.93651---259.25926---32.66667
Fire-bird-----7--30-40---35.00---18---18---150----7.51880---222.22222---29.55556
Bone-dragon----7--25-50---37.50---17---15---150----7.20721---200.00000---27.75000
Death-knight------6--15-30---22.50---18---18---120---11.69591---177.77778---15.20000
Naga-queen------6----30----30.00---16---13---110----9.25926---137.50000---14.85000
Black-knight------6--15-30---22.50---16---16---120---12.34568---165.51724---13.40690
Champion------------6--20-25---22.50---16---16---100---12.34568---137.93103---11.17241
Battle-unicorn----6--18-22---20.00---15---14---110---14.28571---141.93548----9.93548
Naga---------------6----20----20.00---16---13---110---13.88889---137.50000----9.90000
Cavalier---------6--15-25---20.00---15---15---100---14.28571---133.33333----9.33333
Sultan-efreet-----6--16-24---20.00---16---14----90---13.88889---116.12903----8.36129
Unicorn-----------6--18-22---20.00---15---14----90---14.28571---116.12903----8.12903
Efreet--------------6--16-24---20.00---16---12----90---13.88889---109.09091----7.85455
Magic-elemental 6--15-25---20.00---15---13----80---14.28571---100.00000----7.00000
Scorpikora---------6--14-20---17.00---16---14----80---16.33987---103.22581----6.31742
Manticore----------6--14-20---17.00---15---13----80---16.80672---100.00000----5.95000
Cyclops-king----6--16-20---18.00---17---13----70---15.01502---87.50000-----5.82750
Cyclops-------------6--16-20---18.00---15---12----70---15.87302---84.84848-----5.34545
Psychic-element 6--10-20---15.00---15---13----75---19.04762---93.75000-----4.92188
Wyvern------------6--14-18---16.00---14---14----70---18.38235---90.32258-----4.91355
Wyvern-monarch---6--18-22---16.00---14---14----70---18.38235---90.32258-----4.91355
Mighty-gorgon----5--12-16---14.00---11---16----70---23.04147---96.55172-----4.19034
Gorgon------------5--12-16---14.00---10---14----70---23.80952---90.32258-----3.79355
Minotaur-king--5--12-20---16.00---15---15----50---17.85714---66.66667-----3.73333
Minotaur-----------5--12-20---16.00---14---12----50---18.38235---60.60606-----3.29697
Roc-bird----------5--11-15---13.00---13---11----60---23.31002---70.58824-----3.02824
Thunder-bird--------5--11-15---13.00---13---11----60---23.31002---70.58824-----3.02824
Spawn-of-evil-----5--13-17---15.00---13---13----45---20.20202---56.25000-----2.78438
Hell-spawn-----5--13-17---15.00---13---13----45---20.20202---56.25000-----2.78438
Dendroid-soldier--5--10-14---12.00---9----12----65---28.73563---78.78788-----2.74182
Dendroid-guardian---5--10-14---12.00---9----12----55---28.73563---66.66667-----2.32000
Djinn---------------5--13-16---14.50---12---12----40---21.55172---48.48485-----2.24970
Master-djinn--------5--13-16---14.50---12---12----40---21.55172---48.48485-----2.24970
Powerful-lich-5--11-15---13.00---13---10----40---23.31002---45.71429-----1.96114
Ogre-mage-------4---6-12----9.00---13---7-----60---33.67003---63.15789-----1.87579
Lich----------------5--11-13---12.00---13---10----30---25.25253---34.28571-----1.35771
Ogre-------------4---6-12----9.00---13---7-----40---33.67003---42.10526-----1.25053
Great-basilisk---4---6-10----8.00---12---12----40---39.06250---48.48485-----1.24121
Fanatic------------5--10-12---11.00---12---10----30---28.40909---34.28571-----1.20686
Crusader--------4---7-10----8.50---12---12----35---36.76471---42.42424-----1.15394
Monk--------------5--10-12---11.00---12---7-----30---28.40909---31.57895-----1.11158
Horned-demon------4---7-9-----8.00---10---10----40---41.66667---45.71429-----1.09714
Basilisk-----------4---6-10----8.00---11---11----35---40.32258---41.17647-----1.02118
Demon--------------4---7-9-----8.00---10---10----35---41.66667---40.00000-----0.96000
Swordsman-------------4---6-9-----7.50---10---12----35---44.44444---42.42424-----0.95455
Vampire-lord------4---5-8-----6.50---10---10----40---51.28205---45.71429-----0.89143
Magma-elemental---5---4-8-----6.00---11---11----40---53.76344---47.05882-----0.87529
Arch-mage-----------4---7-9-----8.00---12---9-----30---39.06250---33.33333-----0.85333
Earth-elemental---5---4-8-----6.00---10---10----40---55.55556---45.71429-----0.82286
Medusa-queen----4---6-8-----7.00---10---10----30---47.61905---34.28571-----0.72000
Silver-pegasus---4---5-9-----7.00---9----10----30---49.26108---34.28571-----0.69600
Mage----------------4---7-9-----8.00---11---8-----25---40.32258---27.02703-----0.67027
Pegasus--------------4---5-9-----7.00---9----8-----30---49.26108---32.43243-----0.65838
Vampire-------------4---5-8-----6.50---10---9-----30---51.28205---33.33333-----0.65000
Energy-elemental 4---4-6-----5.00---12---8-----35---62.50000---37.83784-----0.60541
Fire-elemental 4---4-6-----5.00---10---8-----35---66.66667---37.83784-----0.56757
Medusa-------------4---6-8-----7.00---9----9-----25---49.26108---27.77778-----0.56389
Iron-golem-----3---4-5-----4.50---9----10----35---76.62835---40.00000-----0.52200
Water-elemental----3---3-7-----5.00---8----10----30---71.42857---34.28571-----0.48000
Ice-elemental-3---3-7-----5.00---8----10----30---71.42857---34.28571-----0.48000
Stone-golem-----3---4-5-----4.50---7----10----30---82.30453---34.28571-----0.41657
Air-elemental 2---2-8-----5.00---9----9-----25---68.96552---27.77778-----0.40278
Storm-elemental--2---2-8-----5.00---9----9-----25---68.96552---27.77778-----0.40278
Cerberus-------------3---2-7-----4.50---10---8-----25---74.07407---27.02703-----0.36486
Royal-griffin-3---3-6-----4.50---9----9-----25---76.62835---27.77778-----0.36250
Hell-hound------3---2-7-----4.50---10---6-----25---74.07407---25.64103-----0.34615
Griffin-------------3---3-6-----4.50---8----8-----25---79.36508---27.02703-----0.34054
Evil-eyes---------3---3-5-----4.00---10---8-----22---83.33333---23.78378-----0.28541
Beholder--------3---3-5-----4.00---9----7-----22---86.20690---23.15789-----0.26863
Dragonfly-----------3---2-5-----3.50---8----10----20---102.04082--22.85714-----0.22400
Serpent---------------3---2-5-----3.50---7----9-----20---105.82011--22.22222-----0.21000
Guardian--------------3---3-5-----4.00---7----7-----18---92.59259---18.94737-----0.20463
Ghost---------3---3-5-----4.00---7----7-----18---92.59259---18.94737-----0.20463
Orc-chief--------3---2-5-----3.50---8----4-----20---102.04082--19.51220-----0.19122
Elf---------------3---3-5-----4.00---9----5-----15---86.20690---15.00000-----0.17400
High-elf-------3---3-5-----4.00---9----5-----15---86.20690---15.00000-----0.17400
Battle-dwarf--------2---2-4-----3.00---7----7-----20---123.45679--21.05263-----0.17053
Dwarf---------------2---2-4-----3.00---6----7-----20---128.20513--21.05263-----0.16421
Lizardman-warrior--------2---2-5-----3.50---6----8-----15---109.89011--16.21622-----0.14757
Orc----------------3---2-5-----3.50---8----4-----15---102.04082--14.63415-----0.14341
Zombie--------------2---2-3-----2.50---5----5-----20---160.00000--20.00000-----0.12500
Obsidian-gargoyle 2---2-3-----2.50---7----7-----16---148.14815--16.84211-----0.11368
Stone-gargoyle--2---2-3-----2.50---6----6-----16---153.84615--16.41026-----0.10667
Magog--------------2---2-4-----3.00---7----4-----13---123.45679--12.68293-----0.10273
Gog----------------2---2-4-----3.00---6----4-----13---128.20513--12.68293-----0.09893
Raider-----------2---3-4-----3.50---8----5-----10---102.04082--10.00000-----0.09800
Undead------2---2-3-----2.50---5----5-----15---160.00000--15.00000-----0.09375
Harpie-witch----2---1-4-----2.50---6----6-----14---153.84615--14.35897-----0.09333
Harpie-------------2---1-4-----2.50---5----6-----14---160.00000--14.35897-----0.08974
Lizardman---------------2---2-3-----2.50---5----6-----14---160.00000--14.35897-----0.08974
Wolf-rider-2---2-4-----3.00---7----5-----10---123.45679--10.00000-----0.08100
Halberdier---------1---2-3-----2.50---6----5-----10---153.84615--10.00000-----0.06500
Archer-------------2---2-3-----2.50---6----3-----10---153.84615---9.52381-----0.06190
Shooter------------2---2-3-----2.50---6----3-----10---153.84615---9.52381-----0.06190
Centaur-commander-1---2-3-----2.50---6----3-----10---153.84615---9.52381-----0.06190
Pikeman-----------1---1-3-----2.00---4----5-----10---208.33333--10.00000-----0.04800
Centaur------------1---2-3-----2.50---5----3-----8----160.00000---7.61905-----0.04762
Gnoll-marauder----1---2-3-----2.50---4----6-----6----166.66667---6.15385-----0.03692
Gnoll--------------1---2-3-----2.50---3----5-----6----173.91304---6.00000-----0.03450
Skeleton-warrior------1---1-3-----2.00---6----6-----6----192.30769---6.15385-----0.03200
Skeleton-------------1---1-3-----2.00---5----4-----6----200.00000---5.85366-----0.02927
Hell-troglodyte---1---1-3-----2.00---5----4-----6----200.00000---5.85366-----0.02927
Troglodyte----------1---1-3-----2.00---4----3-----5----208.33333---4.76190-----0.02286
Hobgoblin----------1---1-2-----1.50---5----3-----5----266.66667---4.76190-----0.01786
Goblin-------------1---1-2-----1.50---4----2-----5----277.77778---4.65116-----0.01674
Gremlin-leader----1---1-2-----1.50---4----4-----4----277.77778---3.90244-----0.01405
Imps-/-Familiars---1---1-2-----1.50---4----4-----4----277.77778---3.90244-----0.01405
Gremlin------------1---1-2-----1.50---3----3-----4----289.85507---3.80952-----0.01314
Imp----------------1---1-2-----1.50---2----3-----4----303.03030---3.80952-----0.01257
Fairy----------------1---1-3-----2.00---2----2-----3----227.27273---2.79070-----0.01228
Little-fairy------1---1-2-----1.50---2----2-----3----303.03030---2.79070-----0.00921

Cool!

Yes, the table is interesting, but can we consider Phoenixes as a valid unit if there are twice as many of them? This raises the question of how to judge in such cases.

And was it taken into account that creatures reduce defense? It seems not...

By the way, it still depends on who goes first – the Gold or the Black Dragon!

The Golden Dragon moves earlier! It has higher speed!