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Entomb (red, Castle, Valeska, Valeska) def invisible (blue, Rampart, Kyrre, Kyrre) 2sm4d(3) 121

For some reason I was only able to upload saves this way. Either HeroesWorld is being slow, or I am

Blacpoin (red, Stronghold, Krag Hag) def ~no1_knows_me~ (blue, Tower, Solmir) 2sm4d(3) 216

Start on fast roads, Doga bypasses the castle, I have a scout. I see GO made of bone dragons and ghost dragons. One road is blocked by a crowd of monks, the other road leads to my native secondary town. I capture it on day 113, there I again spawn goblins, I see a conservatory behind a crowd of zombies. I find a medusa generator, it's max-level. No other income buildings, very little gold scattered around. Clearly not enough for rebuilding. I realized I was in trouble. At the secondary town, 2 lifts are visible, most likely both lead to the treasure zone. I hoped that one of them might be an adjacent secondary, and I punched through by sacrificing the entire stack of ogre magi. That's right, the treasure zone is below. Nowhere to get gold, ahead is a crowd of monks. The castle can be built up at most to griffins in the citadel, and it's already day 116. IT'S HIGH TIME TO SURRENDER!! I bring the griffins and in desperation attack the monks with 65 hobgoblins, 20 harpies, and 3 rocs. Luckily for me, the monks turned out to be minimal — 4 stacks of 5-6 monks each. I kill them by sacrificing all the wolves. Week result: orcs in the native town, griffins in the citadel, goblin and wolf upgrade and griffins in the fort at the secondary.
Next, I broke through the respawn guard consisting of wyverns. There turned out to be a secondary town of Conflux. On the grass, there was not a single bank either; I ran around there for a long time but found nothing good. I took a conservatory and the ill-fated medusa generator at the secondary. Bears and ogres appeared in the native town, without a castle. A citadel appeared in the native secondary town.
Nothing else to do, I went into the treasure zone that had been spawned in the first week. There I collected wyverns from 2 trees, nothing good there otherwise. I rushed home, took another tree there, and another one at the Conflux respawn. A castle appeared in the capital at the end, orcs and ogres were added in the secondary. On day 137, I stand at the split near the snow treasure zone, where a utopia corner is spawned.
In the snow, I opened 2 utopias, claimed the Chaos Hydra speaker's hat. I visited the library, took a couple of Pandora's boxes. I rushed home, refilled mana. Broke through the GO of bone dragons. Captured the opponent's castle with a scrub sitting inside. Then I hunted the opponent. Later he attacked me himself and was killed.
Saves don't want to be uploaded yet.

121 - Alagar visits, gains +1 to a spell, takes the Medusa Lair on day 20, transfers troops to Kirri, who breaks through the archer blockade and attacks the enemy Conflux on the last tile, which contains 4 earth elementals...
The opponent then says that I violated the rules by attacking on day 121. I say that, in principle, this restriction was made to limit players who play with a closed map. So that in the first week, they can conduct reconnaissance without fear of being attacked on day 112. But formally, I am wrong. I ask what to do, and the opponent replies that he will post the victory for himself. I replied that he could post it for himself...

In that case, I should have loaded the auto-save and played without a red rush. And the red rush was invented not only for players with a closed map, but to level the playing field at the beginning of the week, giving the blue player the opportunity to buy an advantage.

I suspect that the game between SpiriTT and LeBron will not take place due to technical reasons. If I'm wrong, please correct me, captains. Otherwise, let's wait for confirmation of the last game and, possibly, saves and screenshots, and then we'll summarize the results.

Blacpoint (red, Stronghold, Krag Hag) def ~no1_knows_me~ (blue, Tower, Solmir) 2sm4d(3) 216

that's right. I see that the opponent has a native secondary, but I also have a native one. I decide to play. There is access to a rich treasure zone. In both castles there is a Citadel, in the native one there are Nagas, the Griffin Conservatory is checked - minimum((( I decide not to take it to avoid the penalty. Well, then everything seemed normal, I gathered about 40 wyverns, visited 2 Dragon Utopias which gave nothing good, frustrating, I see that the opponent also visited two, and his stats increased, while mine didn't (( I timely take all the army from the native castle and transfer it to Solmir, Krag takes the main one. I wanted to set a trap for blue, but Krag didn't take the bait (I gave him a Fire book + breastplate as bait, so the Armageddon damage was around 330 and I holed up in the secondary, thinking the enemy would go for it, but he went after Solmir, I thought he would at least attack the secondary Barbarian's secondary, moved the decoy, but again Krag was set on Solmir). I thought I'd rush into the snowy treasure zone halfway across the map (where the opponent had scouted but not fully explored) and rummage through the Utopias... but Krag turned out to be within reach and I decide to attack on a whim. That whim didn't pay off ))))
thanks for the interesting game!!!

Since Artem is not happy, the results are still preliminary. LeBron - SpiriTT, I hope they will play. invisible - Entomb 0:1 Decontaminator - gen 1:0 Aldegir - AYMAN 1:0 Blacpoint - Unikorn 1:0 Blacpoint - ~no1_knows_me~ 1:0 So far, the veterans are winning with a score of 4:1. I express my gratitude to everyone. Well done, you managed to pull off this questionable event. There were some minor issues, but overall, I think it turned out well. As for whether it was necessary and whether it gave anything to our new players, let them say it themselves.

Thank you very much, Oleg, for the game and the experience. I was satisfied and suggest that we organize similar events more often, of course, if our respected VETERANS of our favorite game have the desire and opportunity!

I know that I play weakly, but I need to learn, especially since I have the desire, although, unfortunately, not much time. Thank you again.

In general, it was a useful lesson, I learned a lot of new things, thank you for the game. I'm waiting for a rematch.

And about the game: I noticed, first of all, the prioritization - where the main hero should go and why, and secondly, the acceleration. It is really necessary. However, I periodically watched the opponent and can now conclude what a normal "pace" of the game is.

It didn't work out. Thank you for the interesting game!

If anyone has anything to add, don't hesitate, and I'll take my leave and go think up something else. P.S. If anyone wants to play a game as part of the event, there is still time to join

Well, you really put me in a difficult position... I asked you, and you said there were no deadlines, and now this is happening.

Artem - why don't you play? :) The topic isn't closed - I'll rewrite the post. I just thought - you still have a game going in Best, isn't that more important? I haven't seen you and Dima on ICQ lately. So, the last match, the captain's match: SpiriTT (Castle) - LeBron (Barbarian) - we're waiting for the result. P.S. - is everything correct now? :)

I haven't seen you and Dima on ICQ lately.

So, about the last captain's battle:

uhhh :) I just suddenly felt like studying again... like when I was almost expelled:D

Well, at least answer in the game. I have a retake exam tomorrow, and I still don't understand something. I keep messaging, but you're just silent... 2Kash, I hope everything is okay? I joined here with the goal of learning a lot. I'm thrilled with the three days we played, and I intend to get the most out of this hero-monster.

I keep knocking, knocking... and you just stay silent...

Actually, this is more likely a problem with my buggy internet connection, which keeps disconnecting lately. Sorry.

It’s not just you having internet issues; everything is fine here.

Spammers... :D

2Kash, I hope everything is alright? I signed up here with the goal of learning a lot. I'm thrilled with the three days we played, and I intend to get the most out of this hero-monster.

Now that's more like it, and not just "a train"... :) Of course, play as much as you can. Everything is fine. Good luck!

LeBron (blue, barb, Gurni) lose SpiriTT (red, castle, Valya, Clavius) 131 2sm4d3
I suggested Artem choose castles, but for some reason he chose the standard option:( I was hoping for something exotic (as if there aren't enough :D )
I'll try to describe the game in more detail, so:
111 Gurni came with orcs without a ballista, wolves don't stand:( but in the tavern there's Kristian who brings the machine gun, I immediately snipe the native secondary hero on the road - but behind the snipers, which complicates things - the cart gives a +3 sword, and gauntlets in the second one, well, let's play:)
112 A rainbow start to the turn - it turns out I have as many as 4 roads - although the thought immediately crept in that Valya's rush awaits me (an unpleasant fact), but oh well, we break through to the green secondary hero through a horde of thieves, there I visit the stable and, cell by cell, I sit down in the castle on birds:cool:
113 I free the prison behind a crowd of lizards - Maruska is sitting there with 3 stacks of devilish army, Gurni on a bird flies back home to the native secondary hero, meanwhile Maruska clears the ramp respawn
114 Gurni visits the stone that grants earth, sehr gut, I thought for a long time and decided to hit the group of snipers behind the native secondary hero
115 upgrade birds and with losses of 3 devils and 3 gogs I kill 19 snipers and then 15 diamond golems
116 Gurni with 3 birds crushes everything in his path, but can't reach the secondary hero, ogre hideout captured
117 Gurni finally reaches the secondary hero, finding a stable along the way which he enters at the end of the turn:) with building, everything is modest but tasteful, home 1-5 in the citadel, in the secondary hero only birds. Found a beggars' hideout behind a horde of swordsmen and 2 Griffin Conservatories on the native respawn + 1 Conservatory on the ramp secondary hero.
121 Buyout of the ogre hideout and native castle, Gurni stands at the beggars' hideout, the scout hero collects money with the main army
122 I kill 75+ swords and take the beggars' hideout and make what is probably the main mistake of the game, instead of breaking back home with maxed earth and taking 2 Conservatories by 123, I for some reason decided to help out at the secondary hero
123 I keep being stupid, attack the guard of the Dragon Utopia in the treasure zone, the guard seemed harmless - a horde of earth elementals, but turned out to be very tough, there were 92 of them with GS=-1 bear -90 goons:(
124 Clavius takes a tier 3 Conservatory on the ramp respawn and reveals a huge army and good stats, I quickly take 2 medusa generators and stand before my first Conservatory
125 Conservatory 2 without losses, breaking home to the 2nd Conservatory and the cape of +2 speed
126 I take the cape and another tier 2 Conservatory, took it without magic already and the cursed immoral griffins took down a good part of the wolves. Clavius is already very close, I realize I won't make it back to the castle and decide to execute a very beautiful tactical maneuver:
leave dad 4 angels and 9+1 gr.liches and, using the speed advantage, take down Artem's angel with 4 angels, and hit the archers hard with 9 liches, and with a single lich moving, buy it off. After counting the money, I realized I was short ~2000 for the buyout, entered the market and... time for the turn ran out, dad was left with 1+1+1+1 angels and 10 liches without money for the buyout. In principle, that was already GG

Congratulations on the victory and thank you for the game!:)

SpiriTT (red, Castle, Valeska, Clavius) def LeBron (blue, Stronghold, Gunnisson, Gunnisson) 131 2sm4d(3) "Fathers and Sons"
A magnificent idea! Huge thanks to the organizer and our respected experts of the game! I hope

such battles will happen more often, because they are very instructive.
I think there was 1 restart - don't remember exactly.
111 gold right away plenty, 27 archers, but not built up; in the tavern Clavius, and since I don't like Valya — right away

I think to make him a pack. Collected some gold, Erdamon came with a fairy; Clavius, ignoring the stable, went

to hit dwarves for 2 chests — reached level 3 with advanced Necromancy and advanced Offense — in the tavern appears

Tamika — pedestrian. Clavius pack. 5 heroes.
Opponent's respawn in the center, secondary nearby. External dwelling of goblins. Near the castle 10+ sharp shooters — and the native

secondary behind them. There was an external dwelling of ogres behind harpies, wolves behind gorgons (+5 club guarded),
further behind 50+ swordsmen an external dwelling of Beholders, and a bit lower was a +6 shield behind Medusas (Dima didn't reach it).
Dima has 4 heroes and almost zero gold. On the respawn an artifact of +2 speed plus 2 preserves.
112 Tamika is bought out, Loshki and Clavius are run through the stable, the free

gold is collected, Clavius is boosted on a gargoyle) 6 heroes
Dima carried thieves and took the adjacent secondary — Rampart; there nearby a prison behind Lizardmen, a Naga bank, and

a conservatory; he'll see that tomorrow =)
113 Tamika took a small crypt; Clavius trudges behind, but he has the stable, and I didn't take Tamika there

so I didn't dare change the decision toward Tamika-Mama. The others mill around the

stable. 6 heroes
Dima freed Mariussa level 1; she saw the Naga bank))) Gunn returned to the golems — to hit for

ore and the external dwelling of gobs. 5 heroes
114 Clavius broke thieves to the secondary — it will also be Rampart for me; also took the crypt, became

level 4, experted Offense, boosted on a gargoyle; Tamika nearby ready to take gold from passersby.

The rest in the chain.
Mariussa, meanwhile, was afraid to go into the crypt, thinking that if it's max — nothing good awaits her;
she returns everyone back, staying herself to run the Rampart respawn; Gunn broke
the golems, went home; all his brothers trail behind. As I learned later — there will be a Grad of sprites and
a breakthrough of the sharp shooters.
115 Clavius took his Rampart and the nearby crypt, became level 5. Expert Necromancy. Bought Astral to
boost the father; now on a centaur)
Everyone else pulls up, because here there are 2 dwarf dwellings, a dwarven flail, 2 experience crystals, and a lot
of potential skeletons.
Dima broke 19 sharp shooters, then a lot of diamond men and found an external dwelling of ogres.
116 2 horses are brought; Clavius level 7 with advanced Wisdom; 1 column is taken; he stood before
the dwarf dwelling; whoever could gathered gold and boosted the pack. Skeletons already 115. Mullich bought — 8 heroes.
Gunn rushes around like a Flying Dutchman! He took the ogres, resources and almost reached the secondary, which
is quite far; revealed an external dwelling of Beholders.
117 Both dwarf dwellings taken — both 15 dwarves each. Skeletons 160. Clavius level 9 (8 4 3 2) with expert
Necromancy, Offense, Wisdom, and basic Earth. The chain stands for growth. At home horses in the citadel; in Rampart
made Elves just in case. Gold — about 8000.
Dima took his native, boosted Gunn on the stable; there he overnighted. The losers worked the taken resources and external dwelling
of ogres. At home 1-5 in the citadel; in the secondary — birds. Gunn level 6 (9 3 1 1) with expert Artillery, advanced
Earth and Offense; almost no gold.
121 I realized that growth here is not needed at all; took the Arena; ready to fight; in castles placed
thousands. Tamika finally became level 4 and expert Necromancy; I entrust her with almost 200 skeletons and
prepare to take the crypt and teleport home.
Dima bought a 6th hero and prepared to take... OMG — an external dwelling of Beholders!!! There are 70 swordsmen, but Earth isn't
expert.
122 The father barely dragged through the Arena to the hobbits; he sleeps within his own walls, replenishing mana, learning Slow and
other joys. Loshki took the crypt, made skeletons and stood in the chain.
Gunn finally broke the swordsmen, expert Earth and Attack, and hid from me underground ((( — I saw nothing there.
He could have made 2 steps down from the external dwelling and found the shield. Another hero bought, who brought
birds from the secondary, as I understand.
123 Clavius ran through the stat boosters, learned Ice Bolt in Expert 2 just in case, and stood on
Champions before the road to the opponent. The chain pulls up to the house. 9 heroes because
there was no other way to boost.
The Dungeon turned out to be on three levels with a quagmire right next to the lift, but further the road is blocked by Beholders and
Archdevils — Gunn heads home.
124 Clavius on the last turn reached the conservatory — it's level 3 with a huge stack. Out of stupidity I lost a horse (well
also all the poks, crusaders and a dozen skeletons). The chain is already here.
Dima fought Medusas for gold; he's going to the conservatory.
125 I fell for the Naga bank (3 Nagas each) — 1 turn short of Rampart, annoying.
Dima took the conservatory — level 2; he crashed to replenish mana, prepared to take a +4 Helmet from under my nose on his
respawn (I was simply counting on it :))
126 Took the Rampart; went on the attack; Rampart empty, for which I paid — the mistress came and killed Erdaman there
and settled inside, buying Centaurs and a spellbook.
Dima with losers takes the helmet; the father beats 50+ horned demons for a +2 speed cloak, then takes
the conservatory — level 2 — and the Madhouse, remaining within my reach.
127 — War for the chain — 2 mages knock Mariussa out of the Rampart; the chain can bring growth; there was a thought
to insert Angels, but I decided to buy up for 131.
Clavius attacks Gunnisson.
1 unit of Angels and birds kill 19 marksmen and all horses. But the skeletons reach with 1 unit; I cast Haste on my
Angels. Result: 3 birds and 2 Angels remain; Dima bought back.
On his turn Dima ran toward the snows and jumped into a teleport.
131 I bring growth; I hit the losers. Surrender follows.
Huge thanks for the lesson — very, very instructive and useful. On such a layout it's rather difficult
to play.
THANK YOU!
P.S. I chose this variant because I roughly understand how to take conservatories, play, and develop with shooters (Elves, Rampart), but as for barbs and dungeon — it seems everything is simple in Dungeon, but not always, and you told me not to choose it.
It would have been my Rampart against your Dungeon. =)