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Registered: 12/15/2006

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#1 9/9/2008 9:21 PM UTC

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Heroes III Tournament
"Adventures of Shakti" (Adventures of Shakti)

General Tournament Rules:

1. To participate in the Heroes III Tournament, you must register on our website and leave an application in this thread.

List of tournament participants:

#	Participant Nickname
01	Dirty_Player
02	WhiteLizard
03	K0Lb@zzeR
04	SandroXXL
05	Айвенго
06	ewgeniy
07	1234ru
08	СТЫД
09	SpiriTT
10	Перполькен
11	Komar
12	Romanuel
13	DARK_DRAGON
14	T@mar@
15	Kamikaze
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2.1. The tournament is held on Russian versions of Heroes of Might and Magic III:
The Shadow of Death (Version 3.2) or Complete Collection [Platinum Edition] (Version 4.0) with the installed patch LMPatch (Version 3.1.1.1) or 2.2.1.1, 2.1.1.1. Patch information is here. It is permitted to complete the tournament on English versions of Heroes (see general rules for offline tournaments). Saves that do not meet these conditions will not be considered.
2.2. The tournament is conducted according to the general rules of offline tournaments; if any points in this thread are unclear, read the topic Offline Tournament Rules + FAQ.

3. The goal of the game is to win the map in the minimum number of days. In case of a tie in days, the deciding criterion is the sum of primary skills (attack, defense, magic, knowledge) including equipped artifacts. If a favorite is still not determined, it will be decided by the amount of sulfur. The tournament is rated, which means you have the opportunity to enter the individual rating table and increase your clan rating.

4. Discussion of the tournament during its progress is FORBIDDEN!!!
If the organizer or their assistant finds documented proof of tournament discussion anywhere on the Internet, they have the right to permanently exclude such player(s) from participating in HeroesWorld tournaments. The results of such players will not be counted and will be immediately annulled.
The tournament organizer also reserves the right to conclude that a tournament discussion took place between players if players from the same clan completed the tournament identically.

5. Use of any cheats or bugs in the final run is prohibited. Otherwise, the result will be annulled.
You can read which bugs are considered forbidden in the topic Offline Tournament Rules + FAQ.

Exception to the rules for this tournament: in case of a "+5 monsters X" week or "monster X" month, the player has the right not to replay the single week/month transition.

6. It is forbidden: to use cheating programs, codes, or additional software that can change the game structure during the final run.

7. In case of suspicion of a player cheating or other malicious intent while completing the map, it is necessary to make a save before every significant event (e.g., before a battle, before hiring another hero). The result of a player who played dishonestly, or who failed to send their description (saves) on time upon the tournament organizer's request, will be annulled and further participation in tournaments will be impossible. This will also reflect poorly on their reputation.

8. Sequence of actions for participating in the tournament:

8.1. Download save.
8.2. The downloaded save must be placed in the GAMES folder of the installed Heroes III on your computer.
8.3. Load the save and start playing at any time convenient for you. Restarting the game is forbidden, and the map can only be completed from the downloaded starting save. At the same time, do not forget to make intermediate saves (at least daily saves must exist). The tournament organizer may request these.
8.4. After completing up to the last action that results in victory (final battle, capturing a city, taking an artifact, etc.), you must save again.
8.5. A full description of the tournament map is encouraged (optional). If provided, a contest for the best description will be held, and 10 of the very best will take their place of honor in the "Hall of Fame" section!
8.6. Within the time allotted for this tournament, send this save to the tournament organizer (the e-mail address should be specified in the rules of this tournament).
8.7. Wait for the results.

9. The final save should be sent to the organizer's e-mail address.
In the submitted save, all heroes must be dismissed except for the hero performing the last action (the parameters of this specific hero [before performing the winning action] will be counted).
Save name: the save must contain the tournament abbreviation AS, the participant number, and the player Nickname, for example: AS_1_Dirty_Player.gm1.

It is also recommended to leave a message in this thread stating that you have sent the save.
After receiving your save, you will see in the application table that:
save accepted - indicated by bold Nickname.
save counted - indicated by bold italic Nickname.
save not counted - indicated by bold red Nickname.

10. The tournament starts on 10.09.2008 and will last until 21.09.2008 (up to 23:59:59 inclusive Moscow time). Only one final save is accepted from the player.
Results will be published no later than 25.09.2008.
Announcement: the tournament deadline has been extended to 28.09.08 (23:59:59) inclusive.

Good luck!

Huge thanks to Dirty_Player for creating the tournament map and generating the starting save.

In reply to VDV_forever

Registered: 4/29/2007

Posts: 11,032

#64 9/21/2008 1:30 PM UTC

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VDV_forever;196536

Hmm, that's strange. Mercury was needed for 3 years, and suddenly it's no longer necessary!?:)
Well, okay, I haven't played the third game in a long time, and maybe I'm out of touch. Perhaps the third criterion is unnecessary, but what's wrong with it?
At least, in case of a tie based on the second criterion, the winner can always be determined by the amount of mercury!:smile54:

Didn't you read DmitryAS's posts? If there's a third criterion, you can spend HOURS optimizing it! And if there's a mercenary guild, then you have to win every battle without any losses!

VDV_forever;196536

And in the case of the tournament you organized, what should be done? Should everyone who completed the map in 2 days be considered a winner, and gems just be a bonus?

The tournament was focused on mining, which means the goal was to collect resources in the shortest possible time! Gems were the second criterion, and gold was the third! Was gold useful? No!!! This is further proof that a THIRD criterion is not needed! The second one is more useful than not!

VDV_forever;196536

Currently, I haven't seen any regulations from players (not just authoritative ones) regarding the rules. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place?

In our case, everything is decided by the administration! If necessary, I can offer help! I will write the rules for official tournaments. I think strong players like vbn, DmitryAS, and Perpolken will not refuse to help me and make corrections!!

In reply to Dirty_Player

Registered: 2/15/2006

Posts: 1,726

#65 9/21/2008 1:35 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player;196542

If needed, I can offer my help! I will write the rules for official tournaments. I think strong players like vbn, DmitryAS, and Perpolken won't refuse to help me and provide feedback!!

This is what we should have started with, instead of engaging in an unnecessary debate.

We are eagerly awaiting the rules. :smile23:

Best regards, VDV_forever

Единый справочник по Героям Меча и Магии

ТУРНИРЫ ПО ГЕРОЯМ 1!:smile13:

Registered: 9/21/2008

Posts: 1

#66 9/21/2008 1:42 PM UTC

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Hello, can I participate in the tournament? If yes, please add me to the list of participants. My gameplay is fair. Thank you.

Registered: 9/2/2006

Posts: 1,700

#67 9/21/2008 2:29 PM UTC

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Message from Kamikaze
The main thing is to have participants, not to make it easy for the organizers to check.

Message from VDV
And indeed, what are these organizers needed for? Let them only check the best result, and even then, is it necessary?
The rest of the saves are based on trust.Well, am I not right? Otherwise, the organizers won't have anything to check.

Индивидуальный и клановый рейтинги Heroes World
Handmade

In reply to Komar

Registered: 12/15/2006

Posts: 1,035

#68 9/21/2008 2:43 PM UTC

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Komar;196546

Hello, can I participate in the tournament? If yes, please add me to the list of participants.

Komar, you have been registered for the tournament as participant number 11.

Клан Homo homini

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...

Registered: 2/16/2007

Posts: 354

#69 9/21/2008 3:53 PM UTC

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I'm currently trying to beat a map with the patch. It seems to me that it triggers the activation of all creatures of the computer opponent and neutrals much more often than its own troops. Nevertheless, I managed to win one battle using the patch, and without it, there were no chances... I've only read about the "traffic light," but I haven't used it. It's not very clear. If the organizer runs this program on their computer, will they be unable to repeat the battle based on the description? If they can, then what difference does it make how many lucky charms and wings appeared? So what if it happened 28 times in a row? I'm for the idea that EVERYONE should be in EQUAL, and MOST SIMPLE, conditions for the game itself. Regarding the criteria, it was amusing to read. If it doesn't always work, wouldn't it be easier to just ignore it? And if there are doubts about your second attempt, just gather more.

Registered: 4/18/2007

Posts: 1,126

#70 9/21/2008 6:29 PM UTC

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Hi everyone, I have a question... Hmm, maybe we can postpone the tournament deadline a bit, as there aren't many saves:). I wanted to play this weekend, but work came up, and I only just got home... Well, in short, the decision is up to vbn.;)

Просто еще один

Registered: 1/10/2008

Posts: 127

#71 9/22/2008 2:53 AM UTC

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I can't install the patch. It says it can't find the Heroes 3 file. And another question: after installing the patch, is it easy to restore the previous settings?

In reply to Nzol

Registered: 4/29/2007

Posts: 11,032

#72 9/22/2008 4:37 AM UTC

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Nzol;196614

I can't install the patch. It says it can't find the Heroes 3 file.
And another question: after installing the patch, is it easy to restore the previous settings?

Run the installation from the folder with the game files!

I did it this way. I copied the game folder and named it "Heroes + patch", copied the patch into the game folder, clicked install, and that's it!
I have a version of the game with the patch and one without the patch! If the patch is removed, I'll just delete the folder and that's all :)

In reply to Nzol

Registered: 12/15/2006

Posts: 1,035

#73 9/22/2008 5:42 AM UTC

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Nzol;196614

I can't install the patch. It says it can't find the Heroes 3 file.
And another question: after installing the patch, is it easy to restore the previous settings?

1. You need to copy the patch to the folder with the game (the one where the heroes3.exe file is located).
2. In the latest versions of the patch, there is an option to uninstall it (i.e., when you run the patch file, it automatically determines whether the patch is already installed or not. If it's not installed, it offers to install it. If it's already installed, it offers to uninstall it and restore the previous settings).

P.S. We are extending the tournament until the end of the week, until September 28, 2008 (23:59:59) inclusive. This time, it's final.

In reply to vbn

Registered: 4/29/2007

Posts: 11,032

#74 9/22/2008 7:26 AM UTC

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Vitaly, I hope you won't repeat the mistake from the VK-7 tournament regarding the second game...

If anyone asks to extend the tournament, be sure to send in your save files, otherwise it won't be fair!

Registered: 6/30/2008

Posts: 11,764

#75 9/24/2008 10:14 AM UTC

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Okay, I've sent the save file! I took the walkthrough a bit more seriously this time than I did before in Heroes of Might and Magic IV. Now I'll be waiting for the results. Thanks, vbn, for organizing the tournament!

За всем следят машины благодати и любви.

Registered: 5/16/2007

Posts: 253

#76 9/24/2008 1:21 PM UTC

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If the order of places is important, then there should be criteria for this. In many sports, luck plays a role (for example, in Euro 2008, some scenarios could have led to a coin toss). No one forces anyone to maximize all three criteria. Those who find it difficult can simply ignore one of them (especially since it rarely comes down to it). You can simply change the third criterion (for example, whoever sent the save file first – an analogy to weightlifting, where the lighter weight wins in case of a tie). And in the Champions League, the fifth or sixth criterion is the country ranking. So, you could use the player ranking as a criterion (for example, in chess, if the world champion draws with a challenger, the champion is declared the winner of the match).

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Registered: 7/22/2008

Posts: 34

#77 9/24/2008 2:03 PM UTC

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VDV_forever;196502

It's very simple:

1) So that participants can see that their save has been successfully submitted, and also that it has been accepted or rejected, without having to contact the organizer again and worry about it. ;)

2) Agree, if there is only 1 player in the participant table, then there is simply no point in participating, because without a quorum, it is no longer a game.

3) Usually, renowned players who have signed up for the tournament send in their saves + add significant intrigue to the game, attracting new and old participants to the tournament simply by their presence.
Example (Fireball, vbn, Qwerty, Dmitriy_AS, etc.).

4) With the introduction of such a table, at least some order has been established in the naming of the save file sent by the host. Otherwise, they'll send something like =34gfd.gm1, and you'll have to figure out who sent it.

5) Convenience for summarizing the results by the tournament organizers.[/I]

Look what an old post I dug up…

The arguments, however, are weak.

1. Ideally, the host should have a template email stating that the save has been received. As soon as they receive it, they immediately send back a confirmation. But instead, the host receives the email, goes to the forum, edits their post, checks if they messed up the formatting. Which is simpler?

2. And this is a plus??? This is a terrible minus of the whole system. I would even say, the main one. Without a preliminary table of players, there would simply be few participants, and with it, there won't be any at all.

3. Strong players communicate with each other about whether they will play or not anyway. And regarding "attracting" - the situation is exactly the opposite. See point 2.

4-5. In general, the arguments are far-fetched, I won't even comment on them.

So, what do we have? I see a small plus only in the first point and a huge minus in the second. The third is neutral, in principle. Where is the "very simple"?

P.S. The system that was created on HP is absolutely imperfect and cannot be implemented on our site.

Sure, sure.

Regarding the third criterion, DmitriyAS, in my opinion, explained in detail why this is bad.

Added after 51 seconds
Yes, I think it's time to clean up the topic, moving posts with discussions about the tournament rules to the appropriate section.

In reply to cyberB

Registered: 4/29/2007

Posts: 11,032

#78 9/24/2008 2:50 PM UTC

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