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18 years ago
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P.P.C.: Can anyone tell me where I can find out what place I got? I mean, where is the results table? Please let me know...
message #186, author vbn.
There's a table there.
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18 years ago
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Although now it is clear that more time should be devoted to scouting and testing different strategies. And it is desirable to look at things "more broadly."
This is a truth that must be learned first. I have failed in tournaments more than once by not following this rule. Yes, you need to look more broadly. For example, in the battle with the Titans, I barely managed to save all the snipers, losing 3 angels. Then I managed to save a whole angel! I calmed down and was almost about to continue. I went home, thought about it, and decided that I could change the battle strategy, trying to save both angels (and the snipers, of course). And it worked! But I could have failed, although in this case, it wouldn't have been so critical.
I remember my first tournament - Best Of The Best, where I had to break through the mages. I didn't even think that this could be done before the 2nd week. The whole point is that I made the wrong assumption about the impossibility of eliminating them earlier. Sorry for writing about this for so long, but I consider it the most important thing in offline play. I will repeat it once more. If you think that it is already impossible to do better and faster, this does not mean that it is really impossible to do better and faster. And as a rule, that's how it is. So, once again: the point is not that I could not kill the mages in the 1st week in The Best, but that I didn't even think of it. But if I had thought of it, I would have definitely coped with them.
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For example, give Thunder to the water:eek: (and pass it around, from hand to hand, across the entire map)
Yes, this was the 2nd strategy. The 1st strategy, which involved bringing Thunder directly to the Stronghold, was also successful and brought 158 stones, but, as you can see, it was possible to improve it significantly by saving money on extra heroes, selling more troops in the guild, and optimizing logistics.
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or deliberately structure your playthrough so that you finish by taking the barbarian castle and hand over all the troops there for gems.
I didn't bring it to perfection here; it could have been optimized a little more, and more snipers (1 gem) could have been brought to the Stronghold; most likely, it was possible to save all 3 angels (3 gems). By optimizing logistics, it was possible to get another 3 gems. Finally, by not buying a book for the first hero, but getting it for free with the help of the Thunder Titan (the book automatically appears with the hero when this artifact is worn), another 1 gem was saved.

In total, it is really possible to get another +8 gems by the 187th day. I wanted to reach 200, but as you can see, it wouldn't have worked. :)

Video files of the battles (for those who have enough traffic), screenshots, description - a little later.

P.S. From Dirty_Player: we are waiting for descriptions from the winning players, namely: vbn, DmitriyAS, invisible, to promptly summarize the final results and carry out the award ceremony.
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18 years ago
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So, where is the walkthrough description? I seem to have missed it...
These are just conclusions based on the uploaded saves. But in general, I would like to read a detailed walkthrough of the winners, including the "twisted" and unique path of Invisible. :)
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This is only for the first time... In the next tournament, these options will already be familiar and will be used during scouting...
For the second time. :) But it's not about the number of times; these options needed to be found in any case, whether they were familiar or not. It wasn't experience that was needed, but simply attention and thoroughness, which unfortunately were lacking.
Thank you for the link.
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18 years ago
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Hehe), everyone had a surprised look at the beginning...;-). You can see the results in the post, it's on page 7 (or maybe 8).
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18 years ago
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There's this wonderful hero class called Beastmaster... It's no coincidence that Brona was mentioned; they start with 4 defense points... As an alternative, it's easier to build up to 6. And Jelu really needed half a turn. The author is amazing... :D
Who else, like Perpolken, managed to get Jelu to the Seer level with 6 defense on the first day? I think I've tried all the options.
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I'm having problems with my email again, so I can only send private messages.
I'm trying to repeat what I did before.

It was something like this.

First, Jelu takes 2 chests (0.32 and 0.31), then takes a resource and stays in place.
Riland is bought, and he takes 2 piles of gold (2.33 and 4.33). Jelu transforms 9 archers into sharpshooters and gives one archer to Riland. Riland moves from (3,32 to 2, 33) and waits for Jelu's turn. Jelu moves from (3,31 to 4, 33), kills the dwarves, and takes a chest. Riland takes the army from Jelu (except for 1 sharpshooter).
Then, Jelu takes 2 chests and stones on the road and visits the hut.
But nothing can be verified from that explanation. If possible, please write more details about how?
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18 years ago
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Congratulations to VBN on his well-deserved victory and to Invisible on his unexpected, and I think even surprising to himself, third place. I won't go into too much detail about the walkthrough. My game was straightforward, without any complicated maneuvers. Let VBN "take the lead" as the winner. Regarding what might not be clear from the attached save files, I'll explain that I gave Bron the "Thunder" artifact. He used it to clear everything he could on the water with 1 captain-centaur. I took Necropolis with Dess. I took the Stronghold with Jelu. Thunder, fleeing from the outsider, moved to the Stronghold. Also, I can note that in the battle for Thunder, I only lost 5 captain-centaurs. Mullich with expert leadership and ranged attack (plus an artifact for luck) is a killing machine. There haven't been any HW tournaments for a while now, and that's why I have a big, unresolved question: why did everyone, except VBN and Invisible, slack off? Okay, I'm "fed up" with HP, but what about the others?!
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18 years ago
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YES YES YES!!! My first tournament, and I'm not in last place!!!!!! HOORAY! Only 22 miserable people are better than me, but at least I'm better than one! I did great - 20 days, yeah... just a grind - I can't find the words, ugh, I mean letters!
2Dirty: Are there any consolation prizes?
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18 years ago
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WhiteLizard;186937
YES YES YES!!! My first tournament, and I'm not in last place!!!!!! HOORAY! Only 22 miserable people are better than me, but at least I'm better than 1! Well, I did great - 20 days, yeah... just a bloodbath - I can't find the words, ugh, I mean letters!
2Dirty: Are there any consolation prizes?)
Yeah, a triple pat on the back from all the tournament participants.
But seriously, congratulations on your first participation.
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18 years ago
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I am very happy with this result. In the first tournament, I overtook 7 people! That's good for a beginner)) Congratulations to vbn on the victory! Well done))) I wish you more victories in the next tournaments.
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Congratulations, vbn. And who is this ace at Heroes 3? I'm just curious about one small aspect – how many days did it take you to complete the map? No offense, but honestly, I think it took you a whole month. I can imagine – when you finished it, you probably looked like this: disheveled; with a beard that has grown down to your knees, with chips stuck in it... (just kidding)) Seriously, how long have you been playing Heroes? But still, you're great! I was shocked by your result! Brrr!
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18 years ago
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I'm very happy for the winners!
Here's a gift for all of us, and especially for those who completed it in 2 days:)
It symbolizes a door for newcomers, and we will definitely find a key for it, and for those who are already inside!).



This is my first tournament, and I haven't played in a long time... I didn't dedicate much time to it) I'm not satisfied with the result at all.
I forgot about the *exchange* of creatures for resources, etc. I rushed).
Once again, a huge thank you to Dirty_Player!
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18 years ago
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There haven't been any tournaments on HW for a while now, and that's why it's a big, unresolved question for me why everyone except VBN and Invisible slacked off. Okay, I've had enough of HP, but what about the others?!
A player can only give a specific answer to this question himself... I hope this is not the last tournament for Dert, it's time to get your act together :-)
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18 years ago
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Thank you all for the congratulations! I'm in shock at the results :eek: . By my humble calculations, I would have barely made it into the top eight. Either beginners are just lucky, or, as Dima says, the rest just slacked off ;). I'll say in advance that I don't have all the saves (rather, I have them, but they got mixed up with saves from previous walkthroughs), although I sent some to Dirty before the titans and before the "can").
A total lack of offline experience had a huge impact on the overall time it took to complete the map. My scouting wasn't thorough, meaning that halfway to victory, I had to replay many times because some hero was short by half a tile, etc. Many times I felt like giving up on it all, but stubbornness and the desire to show a more or less good result overcame the laziness :)
I played the battle in the cyclops den very poorly, where I lost one sniper and almost all the centaurs. I found out much later what those losses cost me. Jelu spent the night in the medusa den, Bron got in the boat (oh, how I regretted being too lazy to check all the swamp-dwellers for 6 defense, because Vistan with his shooting would have been very useful in the naga bank).
By the phrase "non-standard walkthrough," I meant that because I initially didn't notice the spring near the "can," I immediately discarded the option of taking it with Grindan, since he only gets expert earth at lvl 5, and I couldn't afford to eat experience chests, as I was barely scraping by (I blew 1500 resources on the tenth hero on the first day — am I an idiot or what? :)). Therefore, I decided to live large and take the "can" with a mage with Force Field on the third floor, which is built precisely on day 2. For these purposes, I dug up Daremif, gave her the hat, and put her in the Castle to replenish mana. During scouting, I accidentally figured out that a hero with expert logistics, fired on the first day (for me, this was Moner, who got expert logistics in the gnome den) and bought back in the Necropolis, reaches the main castle just in time. And since I decided to go through the sands, instead of two heroes (one to take the Necropolis and the second the main castle), I sent one Korbak. The runner who was supposed to turn in the gladius for gems became Roland on the pixel, who stayed the night at the seer's hut on the butterfly. The great privilege of fighting the titans went to Orrin, who leveled up on resources near the "can," thereby getting expert shooting.
I took the "can" with a level 1 Darimif with the following troops: 24 snipers (-1 at the cyclops and one each given to Korbak and Jelu), 1 unicorn, 1 wizard and single centaurs. The battle was easy, but very tedious, because I had to generate it so that the wizards cast Mass Slow in the first round, then stand in the corner and cover themselves with a Force Field. Additionally, 2 morale was necessary, as one sniper shot only killed 9-10 griffins. I lost one sniper and the rest of the single units, including the wizard.
The fight with the titans was also easy, but also very tedious: 23 snipers, 1+1 angels, 1 unicorn and single centaurs. The fight came down to blocking the titans with angels, and it was necessary to hit their morale in the first round to kill one stack of genies with them before they were killed by the titans. And then just hit the sniper's morale. But honestly — I struggled a lot with them, then finally decided to give up and spend 2k on wood, thereby pushing Orrin's leadership, which became +3 with the angels. I struggled a bit more (the genie bastards would cast either Stone Skin on the titans, or Prayer, or Air Shield, or some other nasty thing :)) In short, I emerged with 15 snipers, but happy as a clam, and the thought of replaying it just made me sick :).
Jelu captured the empty Barbarian castle, the gladius was turned in for the quest, and Bron with all the artifacts and troops did a victory lap around the entire sea, cleared all the ships, and took the naga bank. I also sweated a bit over the naga bank, because there were almost no single units left, few snipers, and no shooting. Nevertheless, Bron with 18 defense, 15 snipers, 1 angel, 1 griffin and a centaur managed it. 13 snipers remained. Korbak, after receiving all the artifacts and snipers, took the Necropolis, passed the initiative to Luna, who attacked Lord Haart with a few snipers and a titan cuirass; then, after killing his death knights and some ghosts with an archer, she paid her way out and was bought back in the Stronghold, killed Kilgor with 3 snipers, a butterfly and using a Wall of Fire, and stood in the tree to get the quest for gems. By the way, I didn't touch Boragus at all :). Then I dug up Kilgor, who finished off Haart, collected resources on the way to the main castle, broke through the spearmen, thereby saving half a tile for Moner, who was short for taking a pile of gems near the castle Dunwall. The killed Haart was dug up to take the second quest for 22 gems near the Necropolis, killing Clavius beforehand. Then there was the final touch of taking the quest with Xeron, after first killing the devil with Cielka. I was 15k short for the 22k gold quest, so I had to trade resources for money.
If I had the nerves for one more replay, I might have reached DimaAS's result. I lost about 20 gems on building the 3rd floor and bought too many heroes, while ruthlessly trading precious resources for money. But vbn's result is practically unreal for me. Well done!
Thanks to Dirty for the interesting tournament. Due to a lack of time to play full games online, I think this is my first, but far from my last offline tournament:)!
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18 years ago
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It's been a while since there were any tournaments on HW, and that's why I have a big, unresolved question: why did everyone, except VBN and Invisible, slack off? I'm okay with it, as I've had enough of HP, but what about the others?!

Dima, do you think we slacked off? Honestly, without "Thunder of the Titan," I didn't think it was possible to create something in two days. But we managed it. And I won't even mention you and VBN. I don't even aspire to be considered for the leader's hat.

Invisible, you're amazing, you really surprised me. What a great tournament opener! Keep it up, buddy.

And overall, I'll say that beating Nzol, Dirty Player, and Perpolken is worth a lot. So the tournament was a success. Thanks to everyone.
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18 years ago
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invisible;186954
The complete lack of experience in offline play significantly affected the overall time spent completing the map.
But the complete experience in online play saved just as much time when writing the report... :D If not more... So everything is fine! The leader will continue drawing it for a few more days... It's better to play... :D

Thank you for the narrative; I read it in one breath. And Jelu is HE, not SHE... Just in case, you never know when it might be needed... ;)

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