The first Offline Tournaments for Heroes 5! — Tournament history (offline)

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VDV_forever

6/7/2006 4:17 AM UTC

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$ PRIZE POOL $

PrizeA:

Licensed DVD-BOX of Heroes of Might and Magic V (with delivery)
Fan t-shirt in your size(XL,L,M,XXL) with the Heroes Of Might And Magic V logo

PrizeB: A profile award (like the one given to respected nprf for winning the 1st Heroes 3 tournament over at HeroesV.net.ru)

PrizeB, [PrizeA(1) or PrizeA(2) {winner's choice}] is awarded to the player who takes first place in the tournament according to the tournament rules.

TOURNAMENT RULES

1. To participate in the first offline tournament, you must register on our website www.heroesworld.ru and also submit an application in this thread
2. The tournament is held on the Russian version of Heroes 5
3. Game version 1.0
4. The submitted save must contain the tournament number (1) and the player's Nickname
example 1_VDV_forever.sav
5. Along with the submitted save, it is mandatory to provide a description of the final step (battle with a hero, battle for a castle, capturing an artifact, defeating the last monster) after which victory occurs, or the walkthrough of the scenario.
6. The submitted save must have only one conqueror hero who performs the final action (others should simply be dismissed).
7. Patches, cheats, codes, mods, as well as additional programs that can change the game structure are FORBIDDEN!
8. Results will be evaluated primarily based on minimum time.
If several players have an equal completion time, the best will be determined by the sum of primary skills (attack, defense, magic, knowledge); if a favorite is still not determined, then by the amount of mercury.
9. The conqueror hero in the submitted save must be without artifacts (they can be placed in the backpack or transferred to another hero who should then be dismissed).
10. Ashi's Tear can only be dug up when the puzzle map is fully opened (this will not happen in this tournament).
11. Send the save to the email address h5_tournament@heroesworld.ru
12. Applications are accepted until June 19, 2006. If you're late, you've missed out
13. In case of suspicion of cheating or other malicious intent during the map completion, a save must be made every game day.
P.S. In such a case (detection of cheating), the player will be required to send additional saves and provide a walkthrough description to determine whether the play was unfair or fair.
The result of a player who played unfairly will be voided and their reputation on our site will be "morale down"!
14. Discussion of the tournament during its progress is FORBIDDEN!!!
(Players violating this rule automatically lose the opportunity to play in the tournament; their results will not be counted and will be annulled).
15. The tournament starts on the 19th and will last for 19 days. Results will be announced 19 days after its conclusion. [You can still apply and participate in the competitions within 5 days after the start of the tournament, i.e., until 00:00 (GMT) 25.06.06]
16. After receiving your save, we will notify you of receipt via your mailbox on our website www.heroesworld.ru

17*. For this tournament:

If you killed the main opponent Gilraen and then completed the following task (killed the last weak hero, captured a castle, or something else) after which absolute victory occurs, the description of the battle with Gilraen MUST be sent together with the save!!! That is, in this case, you will have to provide 2 descriptions (instead of one):
a) battle with Gilraen
b) final winning step

The description should look approximately like this:
Attacking Gilraen with hero Agrail.
Agrail has:
Level N,
army size.
Gilraen has:
Level N,
army size.
And then describe the battle itself.

Tournament Sponsor Respected ADMIN!!!

P.S. I wish all tournament participants a great time gaming and, most importantly, VICTORY!

P.S.S. If there are any additions or remarks, please do not hesitate to speak up to minimize disagreements and shortcomings during the tournament process

PARTICIPANT LIST FOR THE 1st offline HEROES 5 TOURNAMENT!
NUMBER	PLAYER NICKNAME
1	VDV_forever
2	*JOKER*
3	КАНТ
4	Night
5	Борис
6	Vladushka
7	BlazinPimp
8	Dimusik
9	sterh
10	Carmack
11	leshan
12	SandroTM
13	fanat
14	Karatel SS Varjag
15	Aleksandrkalin
16	Diesel
17	Geser
18	Rojok
19	Intruder
20	Halfing
21	DarkOne
22	dontes
23	VaRyG
24	Sablik
25	Supreme
26	Ежик в тумане
27	necko78
28	kop
29	AlexeyPank
30	Faer
31	Paladin
32	gluck
33	Tank 2
34	Philip
35	kazyabr
36	di ps
37	Skeleton Darkknight
38	sjava
39	Evil Hearted
40	GvozD
41	LordOrder7
42	Kiselev Yura
43	Xaker
44	Rogvold
45	mudvaLing
46	BAXtheGREATEST
47	dartRevan
48	shoot-nick
49	KOLb@zzer
50	Svyatoslav
51	Steep
52	Х®одо из Фы®а
53	Ivanuraser
54	Lap1976
55	Strelok
56	Bandit
57	Rean
58	Krivol
58	DeMoN
59	Rustam
60	Varg-Nar
61	Carrion
62	D3lirium
63	vladislav5
64	Krong
65	Illipyk
66	emfoot
67	IronAxe
68	Андрей

This list can be expanded by new participants!
The tournament starts on 19.06.06 (Monday)!!!
Saves will only be considered for players who are in this table, so submit your applications IN ADVANCE!!!

Everything about the starting save

Starting Save

From 19.06.06 the save can be downloaded:
1st mirror
2nd mirror

1. The save that will be posted on our site (19.06.06) must be downloaded and placed on your computer in the following folder C:\Documents and Settings\VDV_forever\My Documents\My Games\Heroes of Might and Magic V\Profiles\VDV_forever\Saves[br][/br]2. Naturally, everyone has their own nickname, so in each individual case it will be approximately: C:\Documents and Settings\X\My Documents\My Games\Heroes of Might and Magic V\Profiles\X\Saves[br][/br>where X is simply the name under which you usually play
3. Load 19.06.06_offline.sav and start playing, making daily saves.
4. After reaching the final action (after which victory occurs), save again.
5. With the final save, describe this last step in detail (most likely a battle); then the results will be tallied faster and there will be fewer suspicions of cheating!!!
6. Send this save to the specified address (in the rules of this tournament).
7. Wait for the results.

The starting save was generated from the "Conquest" map (3rd map) of the standard campaign for the Inferno faction (2nd campaign).

Exactly what you will see when loading the save for the first time:
Diff. level	Hardest (hero)
Hero	Agrail (Demon Lord) Level 12
Stats	Attack-6 Defense-1 Spellpower-4 Knowledge-5
Army	50 Imps 20 Hellhounds 8 Succubi 2 Pit Lords
BUM	Morale = 0 Luck = 0 Mana = 50
Art.	none
Magic	Punishing Strike Create Phantom Stone Skin Ice Bolt Divine Strength
Skills	Basic Gate Opening Advanced Logistics/Pathfinding/Scouting Basic Sorcery/Wisdom Basic Attack/Battle Frenzy Advanced Chaos Magic/Storm Lord
Prof. and Special Skills	Aura of Speed Hellfire
Resources	wood=10 ore=10 mercury=5 crystal=5 sulfur=5 gem=5 gold=5000

PRELIMINARY RESULTS OF THE 1st offline HEROES 5 TOURNAMENT
№	Player Nickname	Number of DAYS	Stats	Amount of MERCURY	AGRAIL Level	Map Description	Battle with Gilraen Description	ScreenShots	Rank
1	Shoot-nick	13	13+1+4+7=25	22	18	Yes	Yes	Yes	???
2	Bandit	15	12+1+4+8=25	4	17	No	Yes	Yes	???
3	Supreme	22	13+1+5+7=26	15	19	Yes	Yes	Yes	???
4	Geser	24	12+3+4+9=28	0	19	Yes	Yes	Yes	???
5	K@lb@zzer	24	12+3+4+7=26	0	18	Yes	Yes	Yes	???
6	DeMoN	26	14+1+4+7=26	11	18	Yes	Yes	Yes	???
7	Iron Axe	28	15+1+6+9=31	21	21	No	No	No	???
8	AlexeyPank	30	13+3+6+7=29	0	19	Yes	Yes	No	???
9	fanat	35	14+1+4+8=27	2	18	No	Yes	No	???
10	VDV_forever	37	14+1+6+8=29	54	20	No	No	No	???
11	Necro78	39	13+1+6+10=30	58	21	Yes	Yes	No	???
12	Sterh	39	12+2+4+7=25	32	18	Yes	Yes	Yes	???
13	Х@од из Фы@а	61	13+2+5+10=30	5	22	Yes	Yes	Yes	???
14	Varg-Nar	96	14+5+9+9=37	80	24	Yes	Yes	No	???
15	Paladin	104	14+5+8+11=38	129	24	No	Yes	Yes	???
16	di_ps	114	14+1+5+7=27	16	19	Yes	Yes	No	???
17	Svyatoslav	137	12+3+7+12=34	67	22	Yes	Yes	No	???
18	Evil_Hearted	230	14+5+9+10=38	171	24	No	Yes	No	???

FINAL RESULTS OF THE 1st offline HEROES 5 TOURNAMENT
№	Player Nickname	Number of DAYS	Stats	Amount of MERCURY	Map Description	Rating	Rank
1	Shoot-nick	13	13+1+4+7=25	22	***	50	???
2	Bandit	15	12+1+4+8=25	4	***	45	???
3	Supreme	22	13+1+5+7=26	15	***	40	???
4	Geser	24	12+3+4+9=28	0	***	36	???
5	K@lb@zzer	24	12+3+4+7=26	0	***	34	???
6	DeMoN	26	14+1+4+7=26	11	***	32	???
7	Iron Axe	28	15+1+6+9=31	21	***	30	???
8	AlexeyPank	30	13+3+6+7=29	0	***	28	???
9	fanat	35	14+1+4+8=27	2	***	26	???
10	VDV_forever	37	14+1+6+8=29	54	***	24	???
11	Necro78	39	13+1+6+10=30	58	***	20	???
12	Sterh	39	12+2+4+7=25	32	***	18	???
13	Х@од из Фы@а	61	13+2+5+10=30	5	***	16	???
14	Varg-Nar	96	14+5+9+9=37	80	***	14	???
15	Paladin	104	14+5+8+11=38	129	***	12	???
16	di_ps	114	14+1+5+7=27	16	***	10	???
17	Svyatoslav	137	12+3+7+12=34	67	***	8	???
18	Evil_Hearted	230	14+5+9+10=38	171	***	6	???

The question marks in the player rank column will be changed to numbers once we come up with a functional rank calculation scheme. Then we will try to get it approved by our respected ADMIN!

The asterisks in the Map Description column will be replaced by numbers when the voting results are tallied!

P.S. See my rank scheme in the corresponding section.

ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION AND MYSELF PERSONALLY, I CONGRATULATE Shoot-nick ON A WELL-DESERVED VICTORY!!!

Sincerely VDV_forever

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VDV_forever

7/8/2006 3:16 PM UTC

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shoot-nick

3. Hmm, then it should have been stated in the rules from the beginning that it is necessary to describe ALL actions, not just the winning one.

Nothing strange! I only request a complete walkthrough from those players I have questions for... (the same... 3rd campaign, and then immediately the 5th??? Strange, isn't it??? And also many other questions that I think will be resolved over time, during the discussions in the upcoming 2nd tournament):)

Players who completed the game much faster than the others (less than 1 month)

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VDV_forever

7/8/2006 3:21 PM UTC

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IronAxe

I played on version 1.0.
When loading the game and getting to the main menu, it says so.

I didn't really pay attention to the missions, but now I looked:
1. Cross the border
2. Capture all the Elven cities
3. Defeat the enemy Hero (probably Gilraen)
4. Destroy Druidic magic
5. Agrail must survive

Before the final battle, I completed points 1, 2, and 4.
That is, I'm in the last Fortress from which Gilraen emerged, i.e., the border has been crossed, all cities have been captured, and the magic has been destroyed. Then, the clueless Gilraen attacks the Fortress and dies. Point 3 is completed.
I have a question for you - who should Agrail survive if there are no more enemy Fortresses or enemy Heroes left on the map?

In my opinion, it's perfectly clear. With the completion of point 3, point 5 is automatically completed. Who told you that the missions need to be completed in order? :)

For now, today I sent you screenshots of the final battle and a description of the battle itself. Please reply to my private message. The battle description contains not only a description but also some other thoughts.
It's better to reply to axe@infopac.ru - this is my home address.

From my final save, before you "wind up the clock," go to the mission completion screen and make sure which points have been completed and which have not. Don't forget to check my respected competitor as well.

I didn't write to you with questions directly about winning!
I only asked you to provide a COMPLETE DESCRIPTION OF THE TOURNAMENT MAP PROGRESS DAY BY DAY, and that's it!:mad: What does this have to do with:
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IronAxe

With the completion of point 3, point 5 is automatically completed. Who told you that the missions need to be completed in order? :)

If you had sent me a non-winning save, I wouldn't have automatically credited it!!!!!!!:)

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IronAxe

7/8/2006 3:29 PM UTC

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shoot-nick

P.S.S. I will try to send the description tomorrow.

I am still against sending detailed walkthrough descriptions before the preliminary results are announced!

What do surprises have to do with it? The judge needs to announce the preliminary results, and then provide a list of participants who need to send in their walkthrough descriptions. If they don't agree, they won't be on the final results list :)

And if you send the description before the preliminary results are announced, there is no guarantee that there won't be other people with the same results on the final list. This has already been discussed, and I don't want to go into it further:mad:

The tournament organizers need to take this issue more seriously.
The description is not only intellectual property, but also a lot of hard work, so the person creating the description should know what they are striving for!

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VDV_forever

I didn't ask you any direct questions about winning!
I just said to provide a COMPLETE DESCRIPTION OF THE TOURNAMENT MAP WALKTHROUGH BY DAYS and THAT'S IT!:mad: what does this have to do with:
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Didn't you ask that?

P.S.S. Why does mission 5 start immediately after winning mission 3??? (This applies to Iron Axe as well). Please explain to everyone, okay?

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VDV_forever

7/8/2006 3:35 PM UTC

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IronAxe

I am still against sending detailed walkthrough descriptions before the preliminary results are announced!

What do surprises have to do with it? The judge needs to announce the preliminary results, and then provide a list of participants who need to send in their walkthrough descriptions. If they disagree, then these participants will not be on the final list of results :)

And if you send the description before the preliminary results are announced, there is no guarantee that there will not be other people with the same results on the final list. This has already been discussed, and I don't want to go into it further:mad:

The organizers of the Tournament should take this issue more seriously.
A description is not only intellectual property, but also a huge amount of work, so the person creating the description should know what they are striving for!

A surprise means the results without any discussion!
It will be much more interesting than the results announced by the users in advance, do you disagree???
For goodness sake, you can post your result right now.

All participants will be listed in the final leaderboard, only the saves will be either counted or not counted in it (and accordingly, the prizes and points, etc.), that's all!

There are no absolutely identical results!!! You can sleep soundly:)
I have introduced 3 criteria by which the winner can be determined in a controversial situation, so identical results simply do not apply;)

If you don't want to send it, that's your business!

Sincerely, VDV_forever

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IronAxe

7/8/2006 3:48 PM UTC

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In addition, I provide an excerpt from the rules:

13. In case of suspicion of a player cheating or having other malicious intent while completing a map, it is necessary to make a save every game day.
P.S. In the event of this (detection of cheating), the player will be required to send additional saves, as well as provide a description of the playthrough, to determine whether the game was fair or not.
The result of a player who played unfairly will be invalidated, and their reputation on our website will be negatively affected!

It is written that in case of SUSPICIONS, saves must be made every game day. I have them.
It is written that only in the event of CHEATING DETECTION is the player required to provide a description. Have any cheating actions been detected yet?

Announce the preliminary results and request saves and descriptions from the suspected players. Then it would be a different matter.
And why are the other participants silent? Is my suggestion not fair, or does it offend someone?

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VDV_forever

All participants will be listed in the final leaderboard, but their saves will either be counted or not counted (and accordingly, prizes and points, etc.) – that's all!

So, you are saying that even if I don't send a complete description now, my result will be in the table, but it will be unofficial, right? And I won't participate in the rating and prize draw? Is that correct?

VDV_forever

If you don't want to send it, that's your business!

You understand, I spent about four hours making the description of the final battle.
It will take more than one day to create a description of the 28-day playthrough.
But why should I, if I might not even be in the top 10? If the preliminary results were announced and I saw that I might be in, say, the top 5, and then I was asked for a description, I could think about it – maybe it would be worth the effort.

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VDV_forever

7/8/2006 4:08 PM UTC

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IronAxe

It says that in case of SUSPICIONS, you need to make saves every game day. I have them.
It says that only in case of CHEATING DETECTION, the player must provide a description. Have any cheating actions been detected anywhere?

Do you want me to account to you???

IronAxe

Announce the preliminary results and request saves and descriptions from the suspects. Then it's a different story.

Read this thread carefully! It has all the answers to your questions!

IronAxe

So, what, the other participants are silent - is my suggestion not fair or does it offend someone?

It only offends you. Everything is fine with the other participants!

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IronAxe

That is, you want to say that even if I don't send a complete description now, my result will be in the table, but it will be unofficial, right? And it won't participate in the rating and prize draw? Is that right?

Exactly:)

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shoot-nick

7/8/2006 4:14 PM UTC

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Hmm... IronAxe raised some interesting points.

I would like to ask VDV_forever if there are any better results than mine? (With this question, I want to make sure that a better walkthrough doesn't suddenly appear, because my walkthrough isn't perfect, and I even point out the mistakes I made in the walkthrough description).

So, I perceive your request for a description as your attempt to make sure that those who MAY get first place aren't cheating, am I right?

IronAxe

You understand, I spent about four hours making the description of the final battle :)
Describing the walkthrough for 28 days will take more than one day :)
And what's the point, maybe I won't even be in the top 10. If the preliminary results had been announced, and I saw that I might be in, say, the top 5.

If the numbers you provided are correct, then I don't think it makes sense for you to create a walkthrough description, although, it is possible to assume that those with better results than yours may not be able to confirm the "non-cheating" nature of their walkthrough.

P.S. By the way, I suggest again that you send the save files at the end of each turn, or any turn of your choice; there are also intermediate save files before major battles.

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VDV_forever

7/8/2006 4:19 PM UTC

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shoot-nick

Hmm... IronAxe raised some interesting questions.

I would like to ask VDV_forever if there are any better results than mine? (With this question, I want to make sure that a better Walkthrough doesn't suddenly appear, because my Walkthrough is not perfect, and in the description of the Walkthrough, I even point out the mistakes I made).

So, I perceive your request for a description as your attempt to make sure that there is no cheating on the part of those who CAN get first place, am I right?

I am looking forward to your description of the Walkthrough :) :) :):) .

shoot-nick

If the numbers you provided are correct, then I don't think it makes sense for you to create a description of the Walkthrough, although, it is possible to assume that those who have a better result than yours may not be able to confirm the "non-cheating" of the Walkthrough.

But here you are wrong. Almost all participants, regardless of the result with which the tournament map was completed, sent in EXCELLENT DESCRIPTIONS!!! For which they deserve special thanks!!!

Some of them could make even Leo Tolstoy envious!!!

Their descriptions will worthily represent the forum of our site. And many will serve as a MANUAL for completing difficult missions!!!

Sincerely, VDV_forever

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IronAxe

7/8/2006 4:34 PM UTC

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VDV_forever

It only bothers you. Everything is fine with the other participants!
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Exactly:)

If someone isn't too lazy to create a description WITHOUT preliminary results and, say, describe 56 days of their playthrough, or even more, that's their personal business.
Whether or not to create a description, a person should decide for themselves after seeing the preliminary results. Creating a description is no easy task.
If you don't want to announce preliminary results, you don't have to.
For me, it will be enough to compare my result with other participants out of interest, not for the sake of winning. I know that I played fairly.

I suggest that all participants announce their preliminary results on this forum. Moreover, the judge doesn't prohibit it – read above, it says that you can announce them right now.

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shoot-nick

if the numbers you provided are correct, then I don't think it makes sense for you to create a playthrough description, although, it is possible to assume that those with better results than yours will not be able to confirm the "fairness" of their playthrough.

Shoot-nick, I didn't understand what you meant. 28 days is that bad that it's not even worth trying. In fact, everyone else sent descriptions voluntarily, but they are demanding it from us. It is logical to assume that the judge simply doesn't like our playthrough speed.
Let's act chivalrously. I announced my result. Announce yours, and then we will definitely know who needs it more. Do you agree?
You can send it to me in a private message right now: axe@infopac.ru

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VDV_forever

Their descriptions will worthily represent the forum of our site. And many will serve as a MANUAL for completing difficult missions!!!

Who needs a manual on how to complete this map in three months if it can be easily completed in one month, or even faster? I would read a manual on how to complete it in three weeks. And I don't think anyone will read the other manuals if they see a description of a playthrough completed in three weeks.

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shoot-nick

7/8/2006 4:36 PM UTC

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VDV_forever

I am looking forward to your walkthrough description:) :) :):) .Respectfully, VDV_forever

can I get answers to my questions? PMs are fine.

VDV_forever

Now here you are wrong. Practically all participants, regardless of the result they achieved on the tournament map, sent MAGNIFICENT DESCRIPTIONS!!! For which they deserve separate gratitude!!!

Leo Tolstoy himself could have envied some of them!!!
Respectfully, VDV_forever

allow me to disagree with you, sir; even most modern professional writers would not be envied by L.N.T., let alone "home-made" descriptions.

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IronAxe

7/8/2006 4:52 PM UTC

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VDV_forever

Some of them could make even Leo Tolstoy envious!!!

And I still think that you are having a speedrun tournament for Heroes 5 here, not a literary club :)

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Shot-nick, I received your message, but I can't figure out how to reply to you on this site yet. I'm still learning :)

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Supreme

7/8/2006 5:10 PM UTC

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I've been reading the discussions here... Hmm, maybe things like this are better discussed in private messages? Well, whatever. I'll just ask about business.

VDV_forever

Players who completed it much faster than other players (less than 1 month) must also provide a very detailed walkthrough of the map, so that my decision is not unfair! And you are no exception. Therefore, I am waiting for the description!:)Dear VDV_forever. Do I need to write a total daily description of every step (following Varg-Nar's scheme), or is what I sent sufficient: a description of the goals that arise along the way and the ways to solve them?
If it's absolutely necessary, then of course I will write it, although I would really rather not... It would be better if there is a question about a certain day (You cannot pass this way), then ask for its description, and do so via private messages.
This is all IMHO of course, but I think the rules shouldn't be changed and people shouldn't be burdened with extra work either.
I wonder if Leo Nikolayevich is me :p :D ?
Respectfully, Supreme

Supreme
Shadow Master - Clan Leader

Стань лучше и сам пойми, кто ты, прежде чем встретишь нового человека и будешь надеятся, что он тебя поймет. (с)

Элистион - 3-е место в Расовом Вопросе!

shoot-nick

7/8/2006 5:33 PM UTC

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I wrote the description, but haven't sent it yet. I hope the respected VDV_forever will answer my concerning question. 2Supreme: omg, what accusations are you talking about? Are blood tests for doping at the Olympics and other events considered accusations? (whether direct or indirect) Judges want to ensure the fairness of the players, and the players want to ensure the impartiality of the judges, and that's right. By the way, I don't think these prizes can motivate anyone to cheat - "the game isn't worth the candle."

Х®одо из Фы®а

7/9/2006 2:42 AM UTC

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Dear VDV forever, isn't it a bit harsh to require a daily log of actions?
I also know someone who gets 5 after 3 missions. If I ask him about how he completed the mission, maybe shoot-nick and IronAxe won't have to make logs.

shoot-nick

7/9/2006 4:22 AM UTC

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by the way, regarding the 5th mission, there's one guess:
if you capture all the castles first, and then defeat Gilraen, the 5th mission will start immediately, but if you do it the other way around, it will be the 4th mission, I think this bug was described on the Nival forum. Anyone who wants can test it, if they're interested, I'm no longer interested in this map, and I'm getting tired of it, I've gotten everything I can out of it.

by the way, another bug: if you defeat the druids who are standing in a ring before capturing the Southern elven castle, it will be impossible to complete the mission.