Which monster do you like the most in Heroes 5 (level 4)? — General

THE Lord

18 years ago

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I mean, the fastest of all cavalry.

Aha... I got it! You should have said so right away!
Faster, but weaker than the rest of the cavalry, and as I already said, they can't be sent into the thick of the battle, because they will be defeated.
By the way, we somehow strayed from the topic during our verbal battle, let's get back to such a worthy topic!

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Аренгар

18 years ago

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THE Lord;175422

You are mistaken, I wasn't comparing them! I was just answering a question.
As for
if you put them "nose to nose," it won't be the most important ability. The bonus is not high, and the price is not the lowest.

In terms of strength, Dark Riders are closer to level 5 than to level 4! The same applies to price and bonus! :)
In fact, all previous levels of creatures in the Tower are higher than the next level in terms of stats, price, and bonus.:D I don't think it makes sense to argue about which is better, level 4 or level 5!:D

THE Lord;175422

Imagine a large battle between the Tower and someone else. Would you send the Lizards into the thick of it to certain death??? I don't believe it! In such battles, ranged units or Griffins can sometimes be more useful. But when it comes to small battles, where there are few enemies, I agree, you can have some fun. Always and to everyone with respect, THE Lord

In a large battle, I attack weak creatures with Dark Riders, but in such a way that they end up next to strong ones. If there are no weak creatures, and you can lose many Riders in the attack, I just place them nearby. And then:
Furies + Lizard's Bite
Hydras + Lizard's Bite
Furies + Lizard's Bite
Minotaurs + Lizard's Bite x2
and again Furies + Bite...:D
And the hero adds magic!:D

Believe me, no monster can withstand this!!!:D :D
P.S. Griffins won't be able to counter Hydras, Lizard's Bite, or Furies!
And when it comes to Minotaurs, only scraps will remain of the unit!:D :D :D

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Альтаир

18 years ago

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The coolest ones are definitely the vampires. They are both strong and beautiful. :smile02:
Demons are also very cool. The best thing about them is their strength. Only Demons can stand up to an archer.

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Imaris

18 years ago

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These are definitely Lizards. No further comments needed. After them, Vampires are also a good choice. And again, no further comments.

Ascendand Evincar

18 years ago

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In my opinion, Demonesses are the best. They are the only ranged unit for the Dungeon faction, they can attack multiple targets at once, and attacking them is more costly for the enemy.

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Yoel

18 years ago

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Cr@zy Wolf;175848

These are definitely Lizards. No further comments needed. After them, Vampires are also good. And again, no further comments.

No! Vampires are cooler than Lizards! They can drain life from a Lizard, and also deal with it without taking damage!

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Imaris

18 years ago

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Yoel;176191

No! Vampires are cooler than lizards! Because they can drain life from lizards, and also, with their retaliatory attack, they can handle them!

Well, that's a matter of personal preference. For example, I'm more afraid of running into a horde of lizards than a horde of vampires. Especially the new lizards, with their attacks – I forgot what these attacks are called – they just overwhelm everyone. You pass by 4 targets – that's it, you can consider it 2x damage. And their damage isn't small at all! Plus, there's the lizard's charge, or whatever it's called. Vampires are nervously digging graves on the sidelines.

Майор Вихрь

18 years ago

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Crazy, it's not that easy to target 4 units at once. They might be useful for clearing out creeps, but in the final stages, they become suicide units that consistently eliminate 1 unit due to their armor penetration. If the enemy doesn't destroy them before their next turn, their chances will be significantly reduced. Therefore, they are effective as suicide units. Vampires, on the other hand, last longer on the battlefield, but their damage per attack is significantly lower. Overall effectiveness during a battle cannot be definitively assessed; it all depends on various circumstances. Comparing which is better, a vampire or a lizardman, is a pointless and silly exercise.

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Imaris

18 years ago

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Whirlwind, I just compared the Swift Rider and the Vampire Prince using this method (not my own! I found it somewhere on the forum): a 1st-level Warlock with zero attributes, no spells or creatures, no skills, and generally, the hero doesn't participate in the battle, with one Lizard against the same hero – a Necromancer. The Lizard won. They just stood there and hacked at each other. The Lizard didn't even move, only at the very last moment. If you want, you can check it yourself. Of course, this doesn't really prove anything, but I still like Lizards more.
P.S. The Vampire attacked first, dealt 8 damage, and in return received 9, and don't forget that he regenerates health at the same time!

Майор Вихрь

18 years ago

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You are right, it doesn't say anything. And preference is a personal matter for everyone.

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Imaris

18 years ago

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Major Whirlwind;176263

You're right, it doesn't say much. And preference is a personal matter for everyone.

I didn't say it doesn't say anything, I said it doesn't really prove anything, but there are some grounds. I'm not arguing about preference. I just expressed my preference.
P.S. Major, do you have a favorite faction? Just for clarification.

Майор Вихрь

18 years ago

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No, I don't have any favorite creatures at level 4 when evaluating them based on combat effectiveness. And I wasn't trying to prove that vampires are stronger than lizards. It's impossible to compare them because their combat styles are very different. If lizards deal targeted, but extremely powerful damage, then vampires, due to their lower attack potential but greater ability to stay on the battlefield for a long time, gradually weaken the enemy's troops and don't always focus on the same target. That's my subjective view. And which of them is more useful? It's quite debatable. However, for a hero of the same faction, the choice is obvious. A creature like a vampire wouldn't quite fit in the ranks of the Academy. Similarly, with the Necropolis, they specialize in defense and weakening the enemy, rather than dealing massive damage.

THE Lord

18 years ago

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No, I don't have any favorite Tier 4 creatures when evaluating them based on combat effectiveness. And I didn't try to prove that vampires are stronger than lizardmen. It's impossible to compare them because their combat styles are very different. If lizardmen deliver a focused but extremely powerful attack, then vampires, due to their lower attack potential but greater ability to stay on the battlefield for a long time, gradually weaken the enemy's troops and don't always focus on the same target. This is my subjective view. And which of them is more useful? It's quite debatable. However, for a hero of the same faction, the choice is obvious. A creature like a vampire wouldn't quite fit in the ranks of the Elves. Similarly, with the undead, they specialize in defense and weakening the enemy rather than inflicting huge damage.

That's quite reasonable, but if it's impossible to compare creatures, then what's the point of the topic? Is it to prove that it's not needed? There must be some categories for comparison, and you can compare them both in a one-on-one battle and in terms of overall usefulness in a team. Sorry if I'm being slow or acting smart.

_Prizrak_

18 years ago

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You can also compare them in a one-on-one battle.

I think this is pointless. Who can withstand Pit Lords with a Rusting Sword? No one. Therefore, it makes sense to check the strength of the growth rates, rather than individual creatures.

THE Lord

18 years ago

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Who can withstand the pit lords with their cleaving swords?

The harbingers of death with their touch! :D :D !
But seriously, I suppose I agree, but I was just saying that you can't compare things based on just one criterion, just like you shouldn't compare them at all.