Advantages and disadvantages of Elven heroes. Discussion of their biographies and abilities. — Sylvan

Alan

10/17/2007 5:45 AM UTC

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Hmm, I'm not talking about Ossir's ultimate skill (I've never thought it was a good idea to go for Combat Alchemy. And the expansion didn't make me more confident in its necessity. Before, you needed a lot of skills, now they stuff a lot of unnecessary skills along the way, and you might not even get the ones you need. And such builds are vulnerable to rushes. I'm talking about the regular Elven Luck, which is a perk in the Luck skill tree, and gives +25% damage on a successful attack.

Тьма - это то, что позволяет смертным не забывать, как ярок бывает свет.

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3DogMZA

10/17/2007 3:15 PM UTC

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Yes, Alan, I completely agree with you. I haven't gone through the Stronghold yet, and while it's a powerful unit, the path to getting it is too difficult. Now, the path is a bit easier, but because they keep adding all sorts of unnecessary things, it's still not easy to get to it. It's a shame that they mixed up all the possibilities of the Stronghold for all races. It used to be more enjoyable. Everyone has something different.
The Elves have no weaknesses; they are the best race of the best. And they have many advantages; I would get tired of listing them. Now, there's another plus. A kind of super avenger and deadly enemy. It's good that they made a deadly enemy for both the upgraded and non-upgraded versions. Osiris is great. He doesn't even need the Stronghold; he can crush everyone with Elven Archers anyway. But it would still be better to remove his Magic Defense on luck and make it an Elven luck ability! Ilfina is also a great hero. And let them just try to reduce her abilities! ELVES ARE POWERFUL!!! :smile01: :smile02:

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Асха - Порядок! Ургаш - Хаос! Силат - Воздух!
Шаласса - Вода! Аркат - Пламя! Силанна - Земля!
Сар-Илам - Дракон-Маг! Эльрат - Свет! Маласса - Тьма!

Gunslinger

12/14/2007 6:52 PM UTC

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Ossir RESPECT! He's great for a good rush strategy, and his ultimate ability is powerful! No one can withstand his CHEATING archers (especially the stealth archers)! Even one turn is enough to completely wipe out an entire unit! The only problem is that everyone immediately focuses on the archers! So, you need to figure out how to protect them from enemy attacks!

Gunslinger

12/14/2007 9:10 PM UTC

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Who are you going to teach how to play as Sylvan! First of all, it's my decision which hero to play against the Stronghold! Secondly, I have a couple of surprises for you! Thirdly, your leaders aren't so scary to me anymore! Fourthly, you underestimate Ossira!

ValgallaWolf

2/1/2008 5:11 PM UTC

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Yes, Ossir is definitely good, especially at the beginning, as the archers give an advantage, and the luck bonus in the starting set is also helpful. But in the middle of the game, the importance of Vinrael's ability starts to show – this is truly a wonderful ability, because imagine, at level 15, he will gain 30% more experience; isn't that great? In my opinion, this is my choice when fighting for Sylvan. Anven is also not bad; he's a good hero, although he depends heavily on luck (what monsters appear on the map). Wingael can also be useful; dancers and nymphs can always use an extra row, and even more so to hide the archers and druids.
The other heroes, in my opinion, don't quite measure up to the ones mentioned above...

P.S. And isn't Anven just a copy of the elf from The Lord of the Rings? There's even a typo in her biography where her name is spelled Arwen.

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Valera77

2/1/2008 5:56 PM UTC

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M@ximus;100258

Ilfina is the best elven hero (tent + horse at the beginning of the game).
And if you also upgrade Tactics and Soldierly Skill and get boots with +1 speed, then "hold on, enemy," plus every other hit applies Blind!!!

That's right. I completed 4 maps with her on Hero difficulty. It's tough, but if you don't get crushed at the beginning, you can get going! Unicorns will help!:)

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ValgallaWolf

2/1/2008 6:06 PM UTC

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That's right. I completed 4 maps with her on Hero difficulty – it's tough, but if you don't get crushed at the beginning, you can get going! Unicorns will help!:)

Well, firstly, you also need to upgrade the tent. This requires at least 2 levels (Fundamentals of Machines plus Tent), ideally. In reality, to upgrade the tent, you need more levels, as she is not a hero focused on machines.
Secondly, I can't imagine how one horse can help at the beginning on Hero difficulty? Block someone? Unlikely, because 57 hit points are nothing. On Warrior or Veteran difficulty, it might give an advantage. Hide archers? That's also only possible later (before getting the tent).

In the Tribes of the East, Ilfina is definitely more interesting if you develop her light magic; then, the unicorns (light ones) will receive the Light spell on themselves at an expert level (as a result of the Child of Light skill).

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Valera77

2/7/2008 5:31 PM UTC

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First of all, you still need to level up the Tent. This requires at least 2 levels (Machine Basics plus Tent). Ideally, even more levels are needed to level up the Tent, as it's not a hero focused on machines.
Secondly, I don't see how a single horse can help at the beginning on a hero difficulty. Block someone? Unlikely, because 57 hit points are nothing. It might give an advantage at the Warrior or Veteran level. Hide archers? Also, sooner or later (definitely before getting the Tent), you'll lose it.

In Overlord, Ilfin is definitely more interesting if you develop her Light magic. Then, the unicorns (light ones) will receive the Light spell on themselves at a skilled level (as a result of the Child of Light skill).

Machine Basics – I don't take them:confused: they're not needed. It's better to take Defense or Luck right away. A single horse won't help – that's for sure. You need to manage to build a Unicorn Glade within 1 or 2 weeks, and then 2-3 Castles and a Capitol, and archers. In the first month, you'll have to defend in the Castle, but also gain experience on weak neutral units. And then it depends on luck. :)
Light Unicorns – that's fun. Then you resurrect someone, and they join the party too

ValgallaWolf

2/7/2008 6:05 PM UTC

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But how will a ballista help you then? I don't understand... with Ilfina, there's a clear connection to a well-developed ballista (see Enchanted Ballista).

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Valera77

2/8/2008 5:14 PM UTC

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ValgallaWolf;149860

But how will a ballista help you then? I don't understand... With Ilfina, there is a clear connection with an upgraded ballista (see enchanted ballista).

It won't help me, I don't need it :confused:. With Ilfina, there is a clear connection with an upgraded ballista (see enchanted ballista). I don't understand what connection you mean.

Gunslinger

2/8/2008 6:55 PM UTC

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She won't help me, she's not needed.

Ilfina clearly has a connection to a well-developed ballista (see enchanted ballista). I don't understand what the connection is. Well, the connection here is that the enchanted arrow leads to the perk of the enchanted ballista (see skill tree).

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ValgallaWolf

2/8/2008 10:29 PM UTC

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She won't help me, she's not needed:confused:. I see a clear connection between Ilfina and a well-developed ballista (see Enchanted Ballista). I don't understand what the connection is.

In my opinion, Talannar and Ilfina should be developed towards her, as this is a unique skill (in my opinion, only Sylvan has it). Check the manual - there is a static skill tree and an explanation of the skills.

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So many Gods
We were the prisoners of our own fantasy
But now we are marching
Against these Gods
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WitcheR-L

2/8/2008 11:41 PM UTC

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The ballista of the elf mage is something else; it just decimates everything in its path. I play as Ossir (my favorite), and I always max out his ballista. In attack, it fires flaming arrows, and the archers shoot, and the ballista is just insane. And if it gets destroyed, it will regenerate after the battle, so the ballista for the elves is a MUST-HAVE.

Gunslinger

2/9/2008 10:13 AM UTC

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The ballista of the elf mage is something else; it crushes everyone in its path. I play as Ossir (my favorite), and I always max out his ballista. In attack, it fires flaming arrows, and the archers shoot while the ballista goes crazy. And if it gets destroyed, it will regenerate after the battle, so the ballista of the elves is a MUST-HAVE.

One downside is the small chance of it dropping from machines, about 2%, so machines don't always drop it. So, I don't rely on the ballista and rarely use it (only if it drops on levels 2-6)...And I rarely develop the elf as a mage.

WitcheR-L

2/9/2008 10:30 AM UTC

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That may be true, but I always got a machine (I don't remember exactly, but I think I once got a ballista on the later stages, around level 15 or 18), so it's very easy to upgrade, I don't know why everyone thinks it's difficult.