Which level 7 creature is the best, and why? — Polls

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Archangel

41.1% 101 votes

Phoenix

4.5% 11 votes

Black Dragon

24% 59 votes

Titan

13.4% 33 votes

Chaos Hydra

1.2% 3 votes

Ancient Behemoth

6.9% 17 votes

Golden Dragon

4.5% 11 votes

Archdevil

2.8% 7 votes

Spectral Dragon

1.6% 4 votes

In reply to badping

Source

11/25/2007 2:54 PM UTC

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in general, you can see which unit is the strongest according to the AI's calculations either in the Thieves' Guild or by setting up 7 contenders in a single unit on the map – the AI will make a choice.

Dark Messiah

РУХ-ЧУДИЩЕ-ОГР

11/26/2007 1:06 PM UTC

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And he will place Arha... This is a proven method, but not the most reliable one...

Sub specie aeternitatis.

Под знаком вечности.

In reply to РУХ-ЧУДИЩЕ-ОГР

Source

11/26/2007 10:36 PM UTC

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RUH-CHUDISCHE-OGR;130529

And he will place an Archangel... This is a proven method, but not the most reliable one...

Don't you think the Archangel is the very best?

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Ley

11/27/2007 9:04 AM UTC

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Here, the question is who he will choose as the second, third, and so on.

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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Source

11/27/2007 9:35 AM UTC

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Ley;130723

The question is, who will he choose as the second, third, and so on?

Yes, I don't know, it's written somewhat unclearly. Here's how it looks in melee combat:
1. Archangel
2. Ancient Behemoth
3. Archdevil
4. Black Dragon
5. Titan
6. Golden Dragon
7. Enhanced Hydra
8. Ghost Dragon

Dark Messiah

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Ley

11/27/2007 10:00 AM UTC

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Source;130726

Well, I don't know, it's written somewhat unclearly. Here's how it would be in hand-to-hand combat:
1. Archangel
2. Ancient Behemoth
3. Archdevil
4. Black Dragon
5. Titan
6. Golden Dragon
7. Enhanced Hydra
8. Ghost Dragon

I don't know exactly what you mean, but when I did similar one-on-one checks, I gave the top spot to creatures based on the number of winning battles against a specific opponent, i.e., for example, the Archangel has 8 wins out of 8 - first place, and so on. I don't remember exactly, but it seems this list isn't entirely correct. Also, if you take into account the double growth of Phoenixes, then the first place would belong to them.

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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Source

11/27/2007 11:46 AM UTC

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Ley;130729

I don't know exactly what you mean, but when I was doing similar one-on-one checks, I ranked creatures based on the number of victorious battles against a specific opponent, i.e., for example, an Archangel has 8 wins out of 8 - first place, and so on. I don't remember exactly, but it seems this list isn't entirely accurate. Also, if you take into account the double increase of Phoenixes, then first place would belong to them.

You are right about the points scored in victories; I also calculate them based on the total. But I was talking about a 1-on-1 battle. I forgot about the Phoenix, but I can assure you that 2 Archangels can easily defeat 4 Ghost Dragons, and 3 Phoenixes - and if it weren't for resurrection, they could defeat 4.

Dark Messiah

Ley

11/27/2007 12:12 PM UTC

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the Phoenix is a good example – the statistics show that, due to their double numerical superiority and first strike ability, they can eliminate Archons and other level 7 creatures.

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

Er@ser

11/27/2007 12:28 PM UTC

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Statistics are meaningless! The most important thing in the game is to turn your back to Lady Luck at the right time :D and... then you can crush everyone without paying attention to any statistics.

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Ley

11/27/2007 1:40 PM UTC

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Er@ser;130770

Statistics are meaningless! The main thing in the game is to turn your back to Lady Fortune at the right time :D and... then you can tear everyone apart without looking at any statistics.

Indeed... :D

We are talking about different things. You are so persistently trying to prove to us that the one who is better at controlling a unit will win. We are not arguing with that - knowledge and skill are important, but we are talking about something else.

It's not hard to notice the topic of the thread - hence all sorts of disputes, discussions, and, most importantly, the conclusion.

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

Er@ser

11/27/2007 2:23 PM UTC

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Yeah, that's true. The probability of heroes with identical stats and a single level 7 creature encountering each other on the map is very low, and this topic is mainly of a theoretical nature.

65RUS

11/27/2007 7:19 PM UTC

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I still don't understand what's unclear about who's in first place. No, I don't understand how you can prove that Arkhov is better than someone else in a 1-on-1 match, given that the heroes have the same stats.

"Отыщи всему начало, и ты многое поймёшь."
К. Прутков.

Играю тут http://www.heroeswm.ru
Супер онлайн игра по Героям 5.:smile14:

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РУХ-ЧУДИЩЕ-ОГР

11/27/2007 7:37 PM UTC

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Source: Well, I think he's strong and useful; I wrote this in earlier posts, and I also discussed who is the most useful of the seven.

Sub specie aeternitatis.

Под знаком вечности.

badping

11/27/2007 7:44 PM UTC

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I still don't understand what's unclear about who's in first place. No, I don't understand how you can prove that Archons can outperform any other unit in a 1-on-1 fight when the heroes have the same stats.

Well, there was already proof of that... the situation is, of course, unrealistic, but nevertheless, the Monsters won against the Archons due to their high Attack and Defense stats.
It would seem that there's no difference: Attack and Defense should balance each other out. But no: in the case of the Monster, this rule doesn't work because it always reduces the enemy's defense by 80% and, as a result, deals so much damage that it kills even an Archon.

And in a 1-on-1 fight, with zero stats, there's nothing to argue about. The Archon wins against everyone (and even then, with skillful combat).

Land aus Blut im Aschenregen,
Wüst und leer und ohne Segen.
Hier bin ich durch dich gefangen,
Muss für dich durchs Feuer gehen.
Du siehst mich in Flammen stehen,
Glühend will ich dich empfangen.

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Er@ser

11/28/2007 6:27 AM UTC

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badping;130967

Well, there was actually proof of this before... the situation is, of course, unrealistic, but nevertheless, the Dungeon creatures were winning against the Archons due to their high Attack and Defense stats.
It would seem that there is no difference: Attack and Defense should balance each other out. But no: in the case of the Dungeon creature, this rule doesn't work because it always reduces the enemy's defense by 80% and, as a result, deals so much damage that it kills even an Archon.

And in a 1v1 fight, with zero stats, there's nothing to argue about. The Archon wins against everyone (and even then, with skillful combat).

I'm not against the idea that, in "ideal" conditions, the Archon is the best creature of level 7.