Posts from Mafia 109. Dreams of the Void Warriors Auto-translated

So, if the "Heroes" player is Mafia, then he's on the same team as the "Master."

Brilliant. At the same time, the "Master" himself quietly registered "Gumer" as completely innocent in the chat. Apparently, he thinks he's in control, playing like he did last time. Or is he actually Mafia with him? That sounds like a plan. One Mafia player controls the town however he wants, while the other just avoids being exposed.
There's another plan: the "Master" is actually Town. Since I'm sure that "Nefele" and "Tox" are Mafia, they're teaming up with "Gumer" and "Heroes."
In short, we need to execute one of the "Gumer-Master" pair. We can significantly reduce the chance of making a mistake by re-voting on the clue from the first day.

Yesterday, I promised that I would fight for my peaceful stance until the very end. If anyone wants to duel, they are welcome.

I wasted another half hour of my life digging through Wikipedia about these damn wars, and I still can't figure it out. :(

And Alex is confusing things even more by saying that he considers Heroist to be peaceful...

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Master, do you understand that at this rate, Heroist really is the "good guy." And then we have a conflict between Humer and Nephele for the role of "Happiness." And we can divide the punishment between them. But I don't want to give Nephele to the executioner.

But I do want to give Humer to the executioner.

Well, how should I put it... Perhaps, since the Master commands such unquestionable authority, we should execute Gumer after all?

In short, Alex-Nephela or Master-Gumer – that’s how it is.

Heroist, what do you think? Since everyone is inviting you to play, I can’t just stand aside.

>want
>don't want
...

>Since everyone keeps mentioning you in the forums,
it's simply not beneficial for any side to suspect you.)

>Alex-Nephela or Master-Gumer
Could Alex-Gumer be a possibility? A sincere question.

Alex-Gumer is the most logical version for me, the simplest one. But for some reason, the Master puts Gumer together with Alex, protecting him. And this breaks all my patterns.

I don't understand Tox at all anymore. He just wrote that the simplest thing to do is to put Gumer and me on different teams...

I don't understand anything anymore.

I need the opinions of Nefela and Gumer, but they are silent.

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This most likely indicates that Heroist is peaceful, because the Mafia probably thought that the Defender would go to Nefela.

And I still don't understand the logic behind this statement. Explain it.

Gumer posts once a day, so it takes about a month to gauge his stance. Well, at least he'll have to cast his vote right away (or not), which will at least say something.

Here's Нефела, sitting pretty online, reading all this, and not a word about Героист. Нефи, aren't you aiming for his role?

No, I'm not aiming for it; I have my own.

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Can I twist everything the way I want, even if it's wrong, and you'll listen and give me your opinion? Master, I came up with a role for you and named it at the end of yesterday. You didn't deny it, nor did anyone else; I'm assuming it's true. Aren't you considering the possibility that both I and Героист are peaceful? You put us together, claiming there's one Mafia member here, but what if there's a third one with us? Who would you add to our pair? I don't believe in the magic that all the checks, and there were 4 of them at that point, pointed to all the eliminated players. The probability that we have 4 living players about whom you can say something for sure is much higher. I'll assume they are myself, Гумер, Героист, and someone from the Алекс/Токс pair. Layout 3/3 Suffering/Despair/M3 Joy/Happiness/M1 Нефела can be anyone. Героист cannot be Happiness. Гумер can be anyone. Master cannot be Suffering and Happiness. Токс cannot be Suffering. Алекс cannot be Happiness. But, for Joy, I have 3 contenders based on their active civic position: Токс, Master, and Героист. If my point of view is correct, Нефела and Героист were mentioned in the check, we were contrasted not only based on the days, and Героист didn't just throw his vote in Крабби, didn't fall for your and Токс's words, and didn't just start guessing a clue for at least some credibility to his words, then there's a Mafia member in the trio of Нефела/Героист/Токс. The most logical check for the fourth night is Токс. You're hanging Алекс, which means I'm wrong somewhere. Since the second day, you've said you don't believe in the pair Нефела/Токс. At the same time, you consider Токс to be peaceful. Is it only based on his behavior? If you're contrasting me and Героист based on behavior in the topic and following your heart, If you take Токс's first message on the third day in Крабби as a fragment of the pair, then, considering the supposed status of him and someone from the Героист/Нефела pair, it would be logical to check the remaining one. If it's exclusively based on behavior and ambiguity in the topic, it would be logical to check me. I repeatedly denied myself in the pair through my behavior in the topic; I didn't immediately execute Крабби, as I could have known something about him. If Happiness came to me, I don't think you would just invite him, and the whole town, with Токс's cries of indignation, would execute me. You're executing Алекс. If my chain of delusional statements is correct, then you're executing him, and I hope it's not just like that; the clue won't be tied to him, and he won't leave the table at the beginning of this night. Then, the second Mafia member is in the Гумер-Токс pair. And the last check should be Токс, as he's not Suffering, not Despair, and... if the result is not "nightmare," all this crap will collapse like a house of cards. Can Токс not be a Mafia member? Yes. If he's Joy or Happiness. He promised me Happiness at the beginning of the day. Can he refuse his own role to cover for me? Well... that's stupid. I doubt he wants another Джанетт. Can this message be considered a hint? If so, then Токс is the Mafia member.

I can believe in the Алекс - Героист pair, I can believe in the Алекс - Нефела pair. The Алекс - Гумер pair is something out of fantasy.

I continue to see in your messages, Master, what I want to see. Does that mean that Гумер and Алекс have the same status, but they should be different? And that Нефела and Героист have the same status and are different from Алекс? What do we have here? The first Mafia member and Suffering? If Гумер is Despair, then the town lost even at the role distribution. An inactive player who doesn't share either thoughts or the results of checks, a lost blocker randomly, and pleasure randomly? But I've already found Despair for myself. If it's the first Mafia member, then it's Happiness/Joy. Гумер voted after the 4th vote in Крабби; he's not Joy. Why would an inactive player go to the target assigned to him if he's Happiness? Is he not paying attention to the topic? Then Алекс will be executed tonight without any problems. If we assume that Героист is Joy, then, by contrast, Алекс is the 3rd warrior or Suffering, Нефела is the first warrior or Happiness, Гумер is the 3rd warrior or Suffering, Токс is the first warrior. Or Joy, and then Героист is the Mafia member. If Героист is Suffering, then Алекс is the first warrior or Joy, Токс is Joy, the first or third warrior, Гумер is the first warrior or Happiness, Нефела, by contrast to Алекс, is Suffering or the third warrior... And then the clue about the Byzantine Wars is correct for me because Suffering is Героист. In general, what if the Mafia isn't the Алекс-Героист pair, but the Алекс-Токс or Алекс/Нефела pair? It seems that the table didn't help me, and I'm still confused somewhere

Seriously, Nefi, after all this, you're trying to whitewash yourself by accusing me of being the mafia?

Are you kidding?

Maybe you should reread my posts in the thread?

The Master can consider me peaceful without checking, it's all quite obvious there.

I'm losing trust in you, and if you're peaceful, this will be our last mistake.

And, judging by your complex reasoning, I can't conclude that you are the role that Heroist claims to be.

I don't want to deal with Alex/Master right now. We need to listen to Humer – everything depends on his first speech today.

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If you like tables so much, I'll tell you that there's one role that only you and Humer are claiming.

It will be very difficult for Humer now, if he's a Town member, because there are already contenders for all three available roles.

Following the clues. From Quent Toxa, through the birth date of the Quent, the murder and reburial of the Romanov family, and also the Russian Church, one can reach Byzantium. The reverse is not possible.

The same applies to Ivan Romanov from Quent Alexa. Romanov, Ivan Nikitich – Philaret – Russian Orthodox Church – Byzantium – and then a series of events leading to wars. The reverse is not possible. (This option was suggested earlier, and I considered it more in the format of "repeating the path of the Sky")

There is no connection between the Russian Orthodox Church – Philaret or the Russian Orthodox Church – the Romanovs. Or maybe I just don't see it.

I have no ideas on how to connect the Quents of Gumer and Heroist to the wars.

You remember me.

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Yes, yes, seriously.

I perfectly know that, theoretically, Gumer and I have one peaceful role.

In practice, there are more, but that's just talk.

My thoughts are above, based on information taken from the topic. You can read all this and tell me where I made a mistake. Or you can start scolding me, and I'll go to sleep.

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By the way, you can call me by this role, and then Gumer, when he comes to the topic, will have to dispute it.

I will simply list the possible combinations of three non-aggressive players, excluding myself.

Heroist-Master-Nefela
Heroist-Master-Gumer
Heroist-Alex-Nefela
Heroist-Alex-Gumer
Gumer-Master-Nefela
Gumer-Alex-Nefela
Alex-Gumer-Nefela
Alex-Nefela-Gumer

I think that's all, there are no other options.

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Nefela, if you're a city-based player, can you help me understand.

You saw what Heroist did at the beginning of the day when he voted for Alex, right? Did you understand that?

Do we believe him? Don't you want to challenge his statements?

Oh, and by the way, with a 3/3 split, we can accurately determine whether Alex is suffering or going first.

Alex and Heroist are both contenders for the Suffering role.

Alex votes for Heroist, Heroist votes for Alex, and the remaining four players each cast two votes. Or one vote each, if Gumer doesn't come to save us. Then, the decision is made by a majority vote.
I'm not sure if this idea will be as good tomorrow as it seems to me now, but writing it down here will make me feel better, and you, until 8 PM Moscow time, will have time to correct my thinking.