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Well, because you need to play all the versions, Master, that's the right way to do it. While you're drawing the Alex-Crabby-Hero/Nefela combo. There's an alternative version - Master-Crabby-Gumer/Hero. You need to play both.
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1. Do you consider Nefela to be Happiness?

Master, 484
So, a pair of Heroist - Nefela.

Master, 525
Happiness decided to act in its own way)
Most likely, this indicates that Heroist is peaceful, because the Mafia probably thought that the Defender would go to Nefela.

Tox, in my opinion, Master in 525 answered your question quite well.

Каждому будет дано по его вере

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There's an alternative version – Master-Crabby-Gumer/Heroist.

You should play both.

Well, play both and tell me which would be easier for me: to eliminate you from yesterday or Crabby? Because of your inadequate screaming, Arandor was executed instead of going into NNV (as I suggested until the very end) and giving Boli a chance to kill Crabby (or the second possible Mafia, Nefel) at night. What a brilliant plan. The only thing you did right in the entire game was to persuade me to split the votes between Nefel and Arandor.
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I really don't understand how you, even as Despair, ended up choosing exactly two opponents: Nefel/Heroist and Gumer/Alex...

You even called Happiness to Graf, until you remembered that it was already there. Let's say you checked it and saw "Dream." Based on the behavior on the third day, you realized that it wasn't Joy, so you only had to check if it was Happiness or not. But why is Gumer paired against it? Because he also has the "Dream" status? I don't understand; I'm already confused.
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Tox, remove me from the list of potential Mafia members, it’s not funny.

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Nefela

 

 

 

Tox, I think, answered your question quite well in post 525.

I don't understand his answer :( If Happiness didn't work out for Nefela, is it because Nefela *is* Happiness? So, maybe Heroist is the Mafia?!

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Tox, stop including me in the possible Mafia, it's not funny.
There's nothing that exonerates you. As a Mafia member, you could have easily attached yourself sweetly to my good initiative to execute Fragment, and then to the bad initiative to execute Arandor...

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Master, let me play with you for a bit, I have an idea, but help me implement it.

Are you absolutely sure that Alex is Mafia? Could he theoretically be a Suffering? If not, why?
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I really don't understand how, even as Despair, you ended up targeting exactly two opposing players: Nefel/Heroist and Gumer/Alex...

You even called Happiness to Graf, until you remembered that it was already there. Let's say you checked him and saw "Dream." Based on his behavior on the third day, you realized that he wasn't Joy, so you only had to check if he was Happiness or not. But why is Gumer paired against him? Because he also has the "Dream" status? I don't understand, I'm already confused.

Sometimes you say that Despair should already have a lot of information, and sometimes you say you don't understand anything. Make up your mind. I don't know, have a beer, smoke some weed... Do something that will get your brain working.

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Are you absolutely sure that Alex is Mafia? Couldn't he theoretically be Misery? If not, why?

I can't answer
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Alex, if Master is Mafia, then who is his partner?
Who knows. Heroist has looked pretty good for the last couple of days; I'd consider him more peaceful. If Gumer didn't play the same way (didn't play at all) as both Town and Mafia, I might have said so with more confidence. Maybe the Mafia are Heroist and Gumer. Of course, there were active attempts to vote off Nefela first, and when he realized it wasn't working, he decided to vote me off. He's feeding us information about the Barbarians, who, as we've already figured out, are targeting anyone, which gives us great daytime activity with minimal reliable information. In general, the Mafia is more likely to be Master than Gumer, and more likely to be Gumer than Heroist. More negative – neutral – more peaceful, that's how it seems.
E si sui vius, er mi grans benananza,
e si ieu muoir, er mi grans deliuriers
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Okay, if you paired Humer and Alex together because they both have the "sleep" status, then why did you call Happiness specifically to Alex, and not to Humer, if they both could have been her target in theory?
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Well, if Alex can only be peaceful with Tox under this scenario, then I think it's necessary to strongly dispute his arguments.

Execute Alex

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Okay, fine, we need to continue playing according to the logic of the table.

Alex cannot be Happiness according to the night phase. Alex cannot be Joy for the reasons Master explained. Alex can be Despair if Master is Mafia, because the town role of Master can only claim this role. Alex can be Suffering, which the Mafia Master or a confused town Master pushes for.

I really don't like the option of targeting Alex and Master, because, in theory, we have a worse scenario for the town, where Master is a mistaken townie, mistakenly eliminating Alex. Then we might execute one of them as a townie, and eliminate the other due to the balance in the next day, giving the Mafia the victory.

Master, Alex, don't you want to reconcile? Don't you have a theory that you are both townies? Maybe we can target Heroist and Humer?
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Okay, if you paired Humer and Alex because they both have the "sleep" status, then why did you call Happiness specifically to Alex, and not to Humer, if they both could have been it in theory?

I can't answer anything about the statuses.

And I called the protector to Alex because I had already expressed suspicions about his mafia affiliation based on psychology. And I didn't express anything about Humer (I don't think). Does that make sense?

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Master, Alex, don't you want to reconcile? Don't you have a theory that you are both peaceful? Maybe we can have a toast between Heroist and Humer?

I think my vote with the suggestion to close the day early eloquently speaks about my desire to "reconcile".
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Master, just in case, I'm not being slow, I'm listening to you, I understand your logic. My scales are currently leaning quite heavily in your favor.

But let me indulge in some paranoia, let me work through and discuss an alternative version so that the community can collectively decide whether it has merit or not.

I'm doing this solely out of respect for you as a strong player and out of love for the game. Please don't be offended or angry; let's finish the game without unnecessary emotions.
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Am I the only one who thinks we've started some kind of clown masquerade here, where the goal is to grab a mask of a specific faction first, outplaying those who didn't manage to react quickly enough? Statements like "I know for sure, but I can't say" are included.
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It seems to me, or have we started some kind of clown masquerade here, the goal of which is to grab the mask of a specific faction first, outplaying those who didn't manage to reveal themselves first? Phrases like "I know for sure, but I can't say" are included.
"I can't say" was said, "I know for sure" was not. No need for that here.
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