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MerlinTheMagician

6 years ago

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Dust_HL

What kind of nonsense is being organized? :) I want Heroes 2 with Hold'em and no-limit.

And I want Chinese poker. And without Heroes. I agree, it's nonsense that no one is thrilled about.
But what are the alternative options?
1. Ignore everyone and Roman himself makes a firm decision about the default version and opens registration, but he decided to play democracy.
2. Create a poll - and continue the argument if the majority in favor of only Hold'em is not overwhelming.
3. Don't create a poll - and continue the argument until it reaches another absurdity.
4. Open registration for the event in two disciplines: for Soda and for Hold'em.

The first and last options save the most valuable resource - time. Because they won't be able to keep the base price at this level for us forever.
Yes, this way, the value of the title of CIS Champion may be discredited, and this is the main problem with the fourth option.

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Freeman

6 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

I want to play Chinese Poker, and without Heroes. I agree, it's nonsense that no one is thrilled about. But what are the alternative options?
1. Ignore everyone and make a unilateral decision about the default version and open registration, but he decided to play democracy.
2. Create a poll and continue the argument if the majority for "only HotA" is not overwhelming.
3. Don't create a poll and continue the argument until it reaches another absurdity.
4. Open registration for the event in two disciplines: for SoD and for HotA.

The first and last options save the most valuable resource - time. Because we won't be able to keep the base price at this level forever.
Yes, this way, the value of the CIS Champion title may be discredited, and this is the main problem with the fourth option.

In my opinion, there will be no discrediting of the CIS championship. In different years, different people have been CIS champions (only once did Stinger become a two-time champion), and on different versions. This did not diminish their achievements in any way, so obtaining the status of CIS champion in SoD is no less honorable than the status of CIS champion in HotA, etc.
It would be possible to hold tournaments for 10 versions, if a quorum could be gathered for each one.
In the current mode, there is an opinion that a quorum for SoD will be gathered, even if it is smaller than for HotA, and that's great, no one interferes with anyone, everyone plays their favorite game on the version they like.

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Dust_HL

6 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

I want to play Chinese Poker. And without Heroes. I agree, it's nonsense that no one is thrilled about.
But what are the alternative options?
1. Ignore everyone and make a unilateral decision about the default version and open registration, but he decided to play democracy.
2. Create a poll and continue the argument if the majority for only HotA is not overwhelming.
3. Don't create a poll and continue the argument until it reaches another absurdity.

Continuing the argument seems to be in our blood :-)

Democracy, as a principle, in our case only leads to anarchy. The latest posts with discussions about holding the competition on different versions are an example.

The organizers and the head judge are competent to decide and choose the system and regulations for the competition themselves.

But if a powerful fan is needed to stir things up, then the direction chosen by the thread starter is in line with the prevailing wind. Which also has its undeniable advantages.
Even I'm getting caught up in it)))

4. Open registration for the event in two disciplines: for SoD and for HotA.

It's not worth diluting and discrediting the title.

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MerlinTheMagician

6 years ago

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Dust_HL

There's no need to dwell on it and discredit the title.

Yeah, I insisted on creating a poll – as the most transparent way to make a decision.
Because the fourth option is a gamble: it's either a disaster (with a higher probability), or a new page in the history of CIS champions (in the event that enough players gather for both versions).
But, as practice shows, you can vote endlessly, and there will always be those who are dissatisfied with one outcome or another.

Grizvald

6 years ago

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If they make a trophy in the shape of an old can, it will be hard to resist going :smile08:

iDD

6 years ago

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I want to become the CIS champion in Heroic Litrbrawl. I'll start training and stick to a schedule.

злой_романтик

6 years ago

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I don't understand the term "discreditation" in this context. Who will be discredited? The champion according to Hota's rules, for not beating those who signed up for the SOD version, or the champion according to the SOD version, for not beating those who signed up for the Hota version? A. Filimonov moved from professional football to beach football and won the world championship; did he discredit the title of world champion in "beach football"?
In general, as wise people have repeatedly told me, you can't please everyone. In my opinion, 2 tournaments are the most optimal option. If fewer than 8 players sign up for the SOD tournament, then there will be no tournament for this version, and the players will either play Hota or go fishing near Dusta.
I'll wait for a while. If there are no applications from other cities, I'll open registration. It will be much cheaper for players from other cities to buy tickets for the May holidays in St. Petersburg in advance, and, as Merlin already said, the base won't wait for us either – there will always be people who want to relax there for that price, especially during the May holidays.

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Dust_HL

6 years ago

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iDD

I want to become the CIS champion in Heroic Litrball. I'll start training – there will be discipline.

Doomed. Vitia, did you hear about this attack? :smile15:

злой_романтик

I don't understand the term "discreditation"

Yes, the term isn't quite right, but the idea is that we shouldn't divide the community.
I would listen to the opinions of respected players and, in general, think about the direction of the game's development.

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MerlinTheMagician

6 years ago

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Dust_HL

Yes, the term isn't entirely accurate, but the point is that we shouldn't divide the community.

It's already divided. A compromise in the form of a mix doesn't satisfy a significant portion of the audience. Although, with a mix, it would become clear whether SOD is viable for CIS tournaments or not. What other options are there?

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Dust_HL

6 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

It's already divided. A compromise in the form of a mix doesn't satisfy a significant portion of the audience. What other options are there?

Accept it and move on.

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MerlinTheMagician

6 years ago

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Dust_HL

Accept and understand.

Dust, don't start this again. We've been through this already. What am I supposed to accept and understand without objective data? Specifically, in the context of CIS tournaments. What's happening in different "lobbies" is just indirect evidence. Objective data would be the number of games played on SoD with an equal mix of players, or, in this case, the number of players who will come to play SoD. And if only two players show up to play SoD, then I will accept and understand that SoD should be moved to side events.

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Dust_HL

6 years ago

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MerlinTheMagician

Dustik, don't start the second round. We've already been through this. What am I supposed to accept and realize without objective data? Specifically in the context of CIS Tournaments. Whatever is happening in various "lobbies" are indirect phenomena. Objective data is the number of games played on SoD with an equal mix, or in this case—the number of players who come to play SoD. And if only two people show up and sit down to play SoD—then I will accept and realize that it's time to move SoD to side events.

Damn, "accepting and realizing objectivity in the context of indirect phenomena within a stream of objective data, but if..." — that's tough. Lately, I've been trying to express myself more clearly, concisely, and to the point.

Talking is easier than doing. Roma will make it happen! Listen to the opinions of top players, not armchair analysts.

злой_романтик

6 years ago

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Roma decided that if the decision doesn't suit 1-2-5 people, the event will survive. But if it doesn't suit 10-20-50 people, then, well, look for another masochist, that is, another organizer.

Aiwe

6 years ago

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By the way, 2 tournaments is a great idea. There are those who want to play Heroes but haven't played in a long time, and there are those who won't be able to attend the entire CIS event. In both cases, a mini-tournament in Shades of Darkness sounds like a good solution.

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Regarding discrediting the championship, blah blah, it's obvious that all active top players will play in Clash of Heroes with this setup. So, the option is okay.

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twaryna

6 years ago

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I also support the idea of having two tournaments. I don't see any "division" of the community here. On the contrary, all the arguments regarding different versions will stop. Naturally, winning in the tournament where a demonstrably stronger team participates will be more prestigious (hmm, which version will that be, it will be interesting to see), but this does not mean that winning in the other tournament will be "less valuable." The only thing is, I would prohibit registration in both tournaments (in case there are any who want to). Otherwise, this is an optimal step in the development of the CIS championship. IMHO.

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