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Simultaneous turns in SoD tournaments
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Only with OH
35.4% 34 votes
Preferably with Overlord skills, but if necessary, I’m willing to play without them
29.2% 28 votes
Preferably without ranged attack, but if needed, I’m ready with ranged attack
14.6% 14 votes
Without OH
9.4% 9 votes
I don't play / I don't care
11.5% 11 votes
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#47
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In reality, saving time on turns amounts to a maximum of 3 turns for the Red player (I can only estimate the pure time, excluding combat time), which is 12-25 minutes. Let's say the Overlord has 116 units, saving 6 turns for the faster player, or more precisely, 6 faster turns at each stage. The actual time over a week ranges from 25-40 minutes. In total, this saves 30-60 minutes of pure time, and in reality, it could be 1-2 hours of gameplay. Yes, the saving is significant, especially for pros (those who play in more than one tournament) and streamers, as there might be fewer viewers for a casual game than for a tournament. Furthermore, the slower player should either skip their turn (as Gomunguls advised, to think about the next move and generally take a break from clicking keys) or play for an hour non-stop. What kind of game quality can we expect in this case? I can't speak for others, but I always considered Heroes to be an intellectual game similar to chess (Mareti said it was even better than chess). If I wanted to practice my keyboard skills, I would try racing games or shooters. What would we do with Heroes if we turned it into a shooter that requires virtuoso keyboard skills? Objectively, at the moment, I clearly understand that there is a huge gap between chess (long deliberation and one technical action, moving a piece) and Heroes (where technical actions account for 90%+ of the time spent on a turn), and there's no way to bridge that gap without good keyboard skills. I agree with Iroman, Sir Davos, and Baratortch. If introducing Overlords and reducing the time per turn turns Heroes into a shooter with a prize pool of tens of thousands of dollars or more, then perhaps that's the right path. If not, it will simply turn it into a poor-quality shooter with a semblance of an intellectual game. Introducing any minimal fee will destroy the beginner base. For my friend Kaliban, those who value their time don't play Heroes 3.
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Reading phrases like "if there's no online lobby, I won't register for tournaments," one just wants to say, "well, don't register then." :). Having clear desires is good, but justifying them with such a formulation is a sign of an inflated ego. A radical political stance provides a short-term effect, but in the long run, the damage from it usually outweighs the benefits.
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To start the game, the Overlord's Hour (OH) is simply excellent! However, it's always frustrating when you need to spend at least 1.5 hours restarting the game just to begin. This 1-1.5 hours could be used to shorten the game duration without any issues; it's just wasted time. On the other hand, this arcade element, with the game continuously running, significantly changes the Heroes experience, giving it a more casual feel. Of course, you could skip your turn, gather your thoughts, and solve some problems, but it's still more enjoyable to be able to watch more than just the notification flag; this is purely an emotional aspect. I still believe that if a fourth timer were introduced, say, for 1-2 minutes (to be discussed with the opponent), starting after pressing the "end turn" button, and after which the data would be transferred, it would only be a positive addition.
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Roger-ua

For a friend like Caliban, those who value their time don't play Heroes 3.

That's not true. Those who consider Heroes a waste of time simply don't play it. That's a much more accurate statement. And this, in turn, again supports the MANDATORY use of Overlord's Hut (OH) in TOURNAMENTS. If you want to play without OH, play fun games with those for whom it's also acceptable.
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Useless chatter)) Factions, yes, you can play with Online Battles. But closer to the final of some tournament. I would just not take my turn and sit there thinking about where and to whom to move and what to do, so as not to waste time on my turn. Given these conditions. And any player for whom Online Battles is very important will still sit and wait for me)) and spend the same amount of time.
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Gomunguls
Pointless chatter)) Fun, yes, you can play with OH. But closer to the final of some tournament...

For fans of OH, it's great; the lobby itself is great, even without OH. Just the one-click restart is worth something!
But for tournaments, I think it's not very suitable, even if you ignore the paid subscription and the added difficulty for newbies and slowpokes.
There are bugs, from minor ones (like the opponent's movement bar disappearing) to critical ones (strange crashes, followed by replaying turns). Moreover, it seems that they are only increasing with updates. I've already played over 200 fun games in the lobby and encountered bugs that I couldn't even have imagined before.
This also changes the gameplay (tactical games on restarts with the tavern are becoming a thing of the past,
when they restart with overpowered heroes like Galtran, or, conversely, put him on display with a bad draw,
provoking the opponent to restart).
There are also glitches where blue attacks a red hero, and the latter doesn't even notice it because, on that turn, he's already in a different place.
There's also a situation where blue can't defend against a red attack because he simply can't physically review the opponent's previous turn.
Thus, OH can only be used in serious games within the limits of a possible restart after a match.

And this is just the first thing that comes to mind; if you think about it, you can find many more reasons.
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Roger-ua
Introducing any minimal fee will completely discourage new players.
This is the only thing that, for now, prevents the introduction of Ranked Mode (RM) as a mandatory rule. I hope that with the introduction of the annual subscription, this issue will be resolved, as the overwhelming majority of players will subscribe, and the question "Is Ranked Mode available?" will lose its relevance. I also anticipate that in the near future, some fan tournaments with Ranked Mode will appear (for example, "Three in One").
Roger-ua
For my friend Kaliban, those who value their time don't play Heroes 3.
I disagree. Many players have returned to (and continue to play) this game solely because of the HD mod, which speeds up the Gameplay. After all, Heroes is a very time-consuming game, and if there is a way to speed up the Gameplay, we should take advantage of that opportunity.

For example, if a player like Roger-ua, who has played 249 ranked games (and even more fan games), could save 1 hour of real time in each of these games, that would already amount to more than 10 days of real time. :rolleyes:
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Wicc
Reading phrases like "if there's no OH, I won't register for Tournaments," one just wants to say, "well, don't register then." Having clear desires is good, but justifying them with such wording is a sign of an inflated ego.

A radical political stance provides a short-term effect, but in the long run, the damage from it usually turns out to be greater.
You are such a hypocrite. Explain to me, Wicc, why you jump into the SOD topic, indirectly supporting opponents of OH, when in HOTA you make it mandatory? And even more than that, you ignore the opinions of everyone who is against it and make the timers so strict that even the fastest players have pointed out to you that it's inadequate. Your phrases like "if you don't want to, don't register" while simultaneously pushing new ideas, even against the will of others. Isn't this a sign of your inflated ego, as you yourself said?
It seems that you have two reasons: 1) personal dislike for me, 2) to try to increase the gap between HOTA and SOD in terms of attractiveness for players who believe that time is not unlimited and that even for a favorite hobby, throwing it away completely without a good reason is not very good.
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LuckyF
1) I fundamentally don't want to pay every month – it's like a loan; I would subscribe to a lifetime subscription. I don't have any polite words to comment on this principle.
Just to spite my mom, I'll cut off my ears. :D
I'll suffer, but I won't pay 168 rubles! :smile06:
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Sir Davos Seaworth
I got the impression that all these numerous attempts to forcibly turn hero tournaments into a closed "sandbox for the chosen ones" have the following explanation. So-called "daddies" are simply panicking about the emergence of new strong players here on the Hive, new Marettis, who will push them off the pedestal. Just look at the impact of Dave Han!
As a result, instead of expanding the Hive, making English-language registration available, providing a complete translation of the rules, and making tournaments accessible to new players, including foreign ones, this is what we are doing... Sigh... it's sad.
And I laughed for a long time at this message yesterday. I even honestly restrained myself all evening so as not to write a reply, because nothing but phrases about the author's brilliance came to mind:smile54:
I even became incredibly curious about how you came to such a conclusion? Was it an altered state of mind after football, or did you simply transfer your thoughts, fears, and anxieties onto others?
And yes, I probably suggested playing Dave, both for stakes and just a season or a match, simply out of fear:smile04: And not because he is one of the strongest opponents, with whom it is interesting to compete. In fact, we still haven't played anything like that with him only because he is always very busy with tournaments, taking up all his free time.
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LuckyF
You are such a hypocrite. Explain to me, Vic, why you are getting involved in the Soda topic, indirectly supporting the opponents of the Haven, when in the HotA you make it mandatory? And even more than that, you ignore the opinion of everyone who is against it and make such strict timers that even the fastest players have pointed out to you that it is inadequate. Your phrases are not about "don't play if you don't like it," but about promoting new ideas, even against the will of others. Isn't this a sign of your inflated ego, as you yourself say?
It seems that you have two reasons: 1) personal dislike for me, 2) to try to further increase the gap between HotA and Soda in terms of attractiveness for players who believe that time is not unlimited and that even for a favorite hobby, it is not very good to waste it for no reason.
In this post, only the part about personal dislike is true, and everything else is your fantasy.
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Wicc
Only the part about personal dislike is true in this post, and everything else is your imagination :)
So, where is the explanation for why you come here and support opinions that are directly opposite to the ones you promote in your own thread?
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LuckyF
So, where is the explanation for why you're coming here, supporting opinions that are directly opposite to the ones you promote in your own thread?
Why should I explain anything to you? Those who are interested already know which opinions I support and which ideas I promote. You, apparently, are not interested, so you are not aware, and therefore you attribute things to me that you invent yourself.
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LuckyF
I laughed long and hard at this message yesterday.

I'm glad I managed to amuse at least someone in this life, even though that wasn't my goal.

LuckyF

I became terribly curious about how you arrived at that conclusion.

Didn't you notice the difference between an impression and a conclusion? There is one :-)
How? Simply put — a maniacal desire to turn HeroesWorld into a sect for pleasing top players. That desire for all decisions to be made by the Top 10 or Top 25 (if we're introducing discriminatory qualifications, let it be based not on rating, which doesn't always reflect reality, but on the number of ranked games played, say 100). There are many players who understand the game perfectly well. But execution falls short.
And now there's an attempt to introduce bans on tournaments without OH.

But this is all just rambling, impressions. The facts are these: introducing such an innovation will not open, but rather close, the door to tournaments on HeroesWorld for very many people.
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sir Davos Seaworth
But all this is also lyricism, impressions. The facts are as follows: introducing such an innovation will not open, but rather close, the door to the Tournaments on HeroesWorld for very many people.
Actually, that's a debatable statement. I myself am not ready to predict the effect of such an innovation, but one cannot deny the fact that the shorter a game lasts, the more people will play. Yes, perhaps it will turn some away, but won't it also attract others? I still believe that if we hold some interesting fun tournament with mandatory Overwatch, it will immediately show the whole situation.