"War of the Strongest" — Tournament history (offline)

Ataman

8/2/2007 11:30 AM UTC

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Kyle;104846

4....
Additionally, the tournament organizer reserves the right to assume that the tournament was discussed between players if players from the same clan completed the tournament exactly the same way.

1.What does exactly the same mean? For example, if I accumulate 1000 experience and my clanmate accumulates 1001 experience, the Walkthroughs will not be exactly the same. Or if we both accumulate 1100 experience, but the heroes are standing in different places in the final save, then the Walkthrough cannot be considered completely identical.
2.If, for example, my clanmate is participating in this tournament, this rule only pushes me toward discussing the tournament with him. Because what if my result turns out to be the same as his; then we will both be excluded from the tournament.
So I'll have to choose: compare results during the tournament or send them blindly and hope that a clanmate didn't repeat your result.

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Kyle

8/2/2007 11:42 AM UTC

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Ataman;105095

1. What does completely identical mean?

"players from the same clan completed the tournament in a completely identical way"
this means: that not the result is the same, but the path to achieving this result coincides with that of a clan member.

After all, you will agree that it will be difficult to see two identical paths on a given map. ;)

Sincerely.

Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров

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Ataman

8/2/2007 11:50 AM UTC

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Kyle;105100

"players from the same clan completed the tournament in exactly the same way"
this means: that not the result is the same, but the path to achieving this result coincides with that of a clan member.

If I were to discuss the tournament with a clan member (but I probably won't:)), the path to achieving our results would differ at least a little.
This rule is useless (IMHO).

Kyle;105100

After all, you'll agree that it will be difficult to see two identical paths on a given map. ;)

But theoretically, it is possible.
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Do you want to comment on point 2 of post 61?

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IronAxe

8/2/2007 12:45 PM UTC

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Kyle;105100

After all, you'll agree that it's hard to find two identical paths on a given map. ;)
Sincerely.

Let's refer to real-life examples. The sixth stage of the Tournament. In my opinion, there are only two most likely paths to complete it. And there are even identical results in days. Therefore, I believe that the situation of coincidences is quite likely. If this happens between clan members, then, in addition to comparing the results and paths, it is necessary to conduct a thorough analysis of the daily saves and compare the specific actions that led to the completion of these paths. If there are enough differences, then, in my opinion, it is impossible to find out the truth. I also suggest that the daily saves being checked should be available to all players in the Tournament, so that everyone can participate in the verification and express their opinion if they wish. Then the decision made will already have the status of a collective one - and you can't argue against the collective. I think that the collective will not be biased towards its rivals :)

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Kyle

8/2/2007 1:08 PM UTC

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IronAxe;105109

I suggest that the verifiable daily save files be made available to all tournament players so that anyone who wishes can participate in the verification and express their opinion. Then the decision made will have the status of a collective one – and you can’t argue against the collective. I think that the collective will not be biased towards its rivals.

Well, on our portal, I don’t think we’ve ever withheld save files.
Therefore, the decision about whether there was “cooperation” will be made jointly.

Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров

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IronAxe

8/2/2007 1:15 PM UTC

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Kyle;105114

Well, as far as I remember, we've never restricted save files on our portal.

That's true. Besides, there's enough democracy here, more than one could wish for on other resources. It's not the case there.

Kyle;105114

Therefore, the decision about whether it was a "cooperative game" will be made jointly.

And that will be fair.

Kamikaze

8/2/2007 1:59 PM UTC

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But the first save was still more interesting (even though it was simpler), and now even a month won't be enough to analyze the possible variations in completing the game!!!
And there are no more pits at the exit.

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Vlad

8/2/2007 8:22 PM UTC

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Alright, I'm ready to participate... Sign me up.

С уважением, Vlad

HeroesWorld: В контакте
http://vk.com/heroesworld

Драко

8/3/2007 12:55 AM UTC

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Question: Is it allowed to add neutral creatures to an army without the Diplomacy skill, or with it? Best regards, Draco.

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arwil

8/3/2007 6:55 AM UTC

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Sign up.

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Kyle

8/3/2007 7:00 AM UTC

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Draco;105207

Question: Is it allowed to add neutral creatures to your army without the Diplomacy skill, or with it? Best regards, Draco

Of course!
Adding neutral creatures to your army is key to success on this map... I'm just letting you in on a little secret. ;)

Best regards.

Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров

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Kyle

8/3/2007 7:09 AM UTC

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Xaker;105197

Well, I'm ready to participate too... Sign me up.

I hope you find the version you need. ;)

Sincerely.

Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров

Arandor

8/3/2007 11:54 AM UTC

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so, should I download a new save file? The one that’s here?

Be strong. Believe

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Kyle

8/3/2007 11:58 AM UTC

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Arandor;105279

so, should I download a new save file? Is it the one here?

Download the new save file... it's named startsave_v2.zip.
Launch it and fight!
Good luck.

Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров

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Драко

8/3/2007 12:31 PM UTC

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Kyle;105037

YES. ;)

Yes, it's worth it.
Moreover, it's even desirable to make saves at the beginning of each day.
Yes, by the way, there must be saves at the beginning of each week.
I will add this point to the rules now.

Sincerely.

And if you save at the end of the day (as you do now)?
What is meant by the map description?
If on the first day of the week there is an increase in creatures that does not affect the map in any way (i.e., there are no similar castles, or neutral creatures of level 5-7 increase, which, as you know, do not appear on the map), should you still aim for a neutral result?

Sincerely, Draco

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