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Offline Rokord
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Hello to all fans of the game.
Actually, since the game is as old as I am, I spent my childhood playing it. And I recently found an interesting bug in the game's mechanics:
You can remove the last unit slot from any hero at any point in the game without using any programs, in any version of the game.

Since the penalties for hero movement are calculated based on the speed of the units in the army, if there are no units, the hero will move the maximum distance.

So, here's a quick life hack on how I did it:
1. Create a map.
2. Choose a hero and leave them without an army.
3. Move this hero to a town, leaving them in the bottom row (hero - guest).
4. Open the kingdom overview.
5. By clicking on the city icon at the bottom right, you can remove the last unit from the guest hero. And the game won't complain that there are no more troops.
6. GOOD JOB :smile12: :smile20:

P.S. I don't know why the game's mechanics allow you to remove troops, but it works. It really helps with gathering resources. However, remember that you will automatically lose any battle!

Surprisingly, I didn't find this bug on YouTube, so I'll leave a link to the video where I demonstrate it.

I would also like to immediately propose a discussion:
Add the possibility of heroes without an army to the tournament rules for Heroes 3. Since this really makes the game easier, it can be implemented in any game, and it's just as useful as the program for splitting units: those who know about it can use it. Everyone is on equal footing
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Offline dnaop-wr
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Rokord

You can remove the last troop slot from any hero at any point in the game without using any programs, in any version of the game.
Surprisingly, I couldn't find this bug on YouTube...
But is YouTube really a collection of all bugs? That's why I don't watch it much.
I knew about removing the last monster when heroes meet and when completing a quest, as well as in a battle for a town, but using the kingdom overview – that's an interesting option.:smile20:
Техника в руках индейца мертва.
Справочник по НоММ-4 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-heroes-iv.html
Памятка по НоММ-3 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii.html
и HotA http://handbookhmm.ru/vyishla-obnovlennaya-pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii-hota.html
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Now that the bug has been made public, we need to urgently inform Baratortch so that he can fix it in the HD version; otherwise, something terrible will happen!.. :(
Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)
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I recently read about this in Nautilus’s tactical guide; I didn’t know about it before. Yes, it’s the best way to quickly defeat weaker opponents.
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I recently read about this in Nautilus's tactical guide; I didn't know about it before. Yes, it's the best way to quickly defeat weaker opponents :D
I have this bug described in my Notes (in my signature, I posted it a few years ago), but it's not in the Physics Guide for some reason. :confused:
Техника в руках индейца мертва.
Справочник по НоММ-4 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-heroes-iv.html
Памятка по НоММ-3 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii.html
и HotA http://handbookhmm.ru/vyishla-obnovlennaya-pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii-hota.html
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Now that the bug has been made public, we need to urgently inform Baratortch so that he can fix it in the HD version, otherwise something terrible will happen!.. :(


I understand that you are against exploiting this to easily defeat weaker players, right? In my opinion, if it has become easy to exploit this trick, let it be. A hero without an army isn't a bug, it's just a difficult-to-achieve scenario:smile04:
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I'm a realist and I have a pretty good idea of what happens, for example, after a critical vulnerability in Windows is made public (if you don't live on a deserted island, you've probably heard about it). Similarly, in "Heroes": such a bug isn't just theoretically convenient – once it's discovered, EVERYONE who can will use it (and they're probably already using it)! In a single-player game for fun, okay, let it be, but now the vast majority of players are online. You can simply ban it with tournament rules (and it seems it's already banned), but it's difficult to keep track of all players to ensure they comply with the ban. Are you playing solo or against other human players, for fun or for a result? Using bugs in "Heroes" is the same as using doping in sports. Would you be happy and agree if someone kept beating you over and over again not because they're better than you, but because they're using something you don't know about and that gives them an advantage over you? Rules exist so that all players are on as equal footing as possible. If the game continued to be supported by the developers, it would be enough to simply report it to them, they would release a patch, everyone would install it, and the issue would be completely resolved. But the development company has ceased to exist, and no one has the source code for "Breath of Death" or "Complete Collection." All hope now rests on Baratortcha and his HD mod.
Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)
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Now that the bug has been made public, we need to urgently inform Baratortch so that he can fix it in the HD version, otherwise something terrible will happen!.. :(
Firstly, such a trick is prohibited by the tournament rules.
Secondly, it has already been fixed in the HD version. But you can dismiss the hero, it's like a feature.
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I'm a realist and I have a pretty good idea of what happens, for example, after a critical vulnerability in Windows is made public (if you don't live on a deserted island, you've probably heard about it).
The same applies to "Heroes": such a bug is not just theoretically convenient - once it's discovered, EVERYONE who wants to will use it (and they probably already are)! In a single-player game for fun, okay, let it be, but now the vast majority of players are online. You can simply ban it with tournament rules (and it seems that it is already banned), but it is difficult to keep track of all players to ensure they comply with the ban.
Are you playing solo or against other human players, for fun or for a result? Using bugs in "Heroes" is the same as using doping in sports. Would you be happy and agree if someone repeatedly beat you not because they are better than you, but because they are using something you don't know about and that gives them an advantage over you? Rules exist so that all players are on as equal footing as possible.
If the game continued to be supported by the developers, it would be enough to simply report it to them, they would release a patch, everyone would install it, and the issue would be completely resolved. But the development company has ceased to exist, and no one has the source code for "Breath of Death" or "Complete Collection". All hope now rests on Baratorcha and his HD mod.


Interesting comment, yes, I know that a hero without an army is prohibited. I play online, but I have never used this bug, adhering to the rules.
However, I would like to note that there are game features that we use, although they should also be fixed. For example, when playing in "Complete Collection," there's a trick with a hero who can be bought back, and he gets movement points again. This is almost the same as removing the last unit from a hero (if he's in a Castle) to speed up the horses.
On the other hand, despite the simplicity of the trick and the possibility of using it in a balanced way for ANY Castle, it is quite logical to ban it in view of the game's concept. I agree with that too.
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For example, the feature where you can buy a hero, and they regain movement points. This is almost the same as removing the last unit from a hero (if they are in a castle) to speed up the loading process.
Not the same, but it costs 2500 gold instead of being free.
Техника в руках индейца мертва.
Справочник по НоММ-4 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-heroes-iv.html
Памятка по НоММ-3 http://handbookhmm.ru/pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii.html
и HotA http://handbookhmm.ru/vyishla-obnovlennaya-pamyatka-dlya-homm-iii-hota.html
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Baratorch is aware, and a bug fix will be included in one of the upcoming updates for the HD mod.
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