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17 years ago
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I often build Hydras near swamps in the early game; I even managed to do it on a balanced map once, but I've never even tried to build Devils. Maybe I'll try that on Jebus. As for Ogres, I think they're really a strong point for the Stronghold. They're slow, but they have 60 hit points as a fourth-tier unit and are not difficult to build!!! I'll probably dominate with them in the next game... I really should play as the Stronghold sometime.
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17 years ago
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Regarding the "cans," it varies, but in Dragon Utopia, ogres definitely have very strong sustain. Sometimes you even have to split them into two stacks so the dragons aren't afraid to engage. Also, Bloodlust on shock troops is good.
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17 years ago
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Hermit
I often build a Hydra lair near the swamp on the first map.
Are you? On the skirmish map? In more than 50% of games? I don't believe it :)
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17 years ago
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Oelm
Ogres are strong!
Well, yes, it's just that in the early game, you don't have enough resources to build them, and in the late game, even if you do build them, there are too few of them. But they are strong, of course.
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17 years ago
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I don't keep exact statistics, but it happens often, maybe even more than 50% of the time. The main thing is to have enough money and 12 sulfur, and then you'll get Hydras. Of course, I also haven't been playing on the lowest difficulty level for very long. Moreover, the lack of sulfur is more critical because you can compensate for the lack of money in the market, but sulfur is too expensive; you won't have enough wood to buy it.
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17 years ago
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Hermit
I don't keep exact statistics, but it happens often, maybe even more than 50% of the time. The main thing is to have enough money and 12 sulfur, and the Hydras will appear. Of course, I haven't been playing on the lowest difficulty level for very long. Moreover, the lack of sulfur is more critical because you can compensate for the lack of money on the market, but sulfur is too expensive, and you won't have enough wood to buy it.

Here, Vovan, I want to quote your signature: I play as Swamp quite a lot, but for some reason, Hydras never even come close to appearing, and I've only played as Fortress twice, and both times I was able to summon Bears quite easily...
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17 years ago
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Well, it's not 12 sulfur, but 10 crystals that are needed there, but I still don't know how to get money in the various gnome lairs and maximum crypts...
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17 years ago
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Captain
Devils are placed in 33% of cases on the 1st... well, who then can stand against Inferno on the 2nd from a rush? ;)
To build bears you need to spend 1k+2.5k+10k=13500 gold and 10 crystals
To crank out devils 1k+2k+3k+4k+15k=25000 gold and 23 mercury.
The difference is 2 times.
And if bears on the 1st are placed quite problematically, then to put devils on the 1st you probably need to have a respawn like on Jebus Cross, where gold is everywhere you spit.
And if it so happens that you've built orcs and ogres through the low current penetrating power of the army and you'll have a choice between putting bears in the fort or building a stronghold and castle, then I'd rather choose the latter option, which will cost 1k+1k+2k+2.5k+2.5k+5k=14000 gold
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17 years ago
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Hermit
Well, it's not 12 gold, but 10 crystals that are needed, but I still don't know how to get money in various gnome lairs and maximum crypts...

So, I almost didn't take treasure chests in both of those games on the first map (see screenshot) - I just bought out all the rogues, and they collected them in the corners:) ...
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17 years ago
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Wlk777
You? On the Sanctuary map? In more than 50% of games? I don't believe it :)

Believe it, see the truth, come to your senses, in short, there's no need to start an argument here!!
They are placed easily, 10,000 points, and you can place dragons if you don't build a guild!!!
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17 years ago
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Captain
Starting Pyre, buy her a book on day 1 and go as far from the castle as possible.
With the second wave (demons and pits) near the castle, clear out what's under guard, and with the third wave (ifrites), finish off another direction; usually devils are placed on 117, sometimes earlier if gogs are there from the start. Devils are placed in 33% of cases on day 1.... well, who could then withstand a rush against Inferno on day 2? ;)
Looool!!!! 33%! :smile52: That's even assuming you aren't born as Dungeon. Generally, if you same lucky with the respawn, it's theoretically possible to build them, but 1 in 3 cases... Maybe a grandmaster is playing on a pawn? :D
Actually, I really did place devils on day 1, on sm in TE (where gold scrolls are replaced and there are crypts on lava). And in SoD it's certainly fun. 20+ mercury is definitely brutal. And even then, if you have that kind of money, it might be better to build the castle and do a full buy-out on 121, but one still wants to place devils, no doubt!
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17 years ago
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Dirty_Player
Looool!!!! 33%! :smile52: And that's if you consider that you also have to be born as something other than Dungeon. Generally, if you same lucky with the respawn, it's theoretically possible to build it, but maybe in 1 out of 3 cases... Maybe a grandmaster is playing on a pawn? :D
Actually, I really did put devils on the first [day], on sm in TE (where gold scrolls are replaced and there are crypts on lava). And in SoD it's certainly fun. 20+ mercury is definitely brutal. And even then, if you have that kind of money, it might even be better to build a Castle and do a full buyout on 121, but one still wants to put devils down, no doubt about it!
Agreed. building devils on the first [day] is just unreal. 1-2% chances if we're talking about sm at 160%
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17 years ago
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SEM_56
You can place dragons if you don't build a guild!!!
Then tell me how :D Or are you... a big joker? :D
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Dirty_Player
Loool!!!! 33%! :smile52: And that's even considering that you also need to be born not as an underground creature. In general, if you're lucky with the respawn, then theoretically it's possible to manage, but it's 1 in 3... Maybe a grandmaster is playing with pawns? :D
In general, I really did place devils on the first day, on SM in TE (there, gold scrolls are replaced and there are crypts on lava). And in SoD, it's certainly fun. 20+ mercury is, of course, a lot. And even then, if you have that much money, it might even be better to build a castle and fully buy everything on day 121, but of course, you want to place devils, there's no denying that!
Do you have statistics for your Inferno games? ;)
Like a dog – only barks about how I play as Inferno, ask LeBron, he'll tell you. I placed devils 7 times out of 20... in SoD, on day 160.

So as not to be just talking – I'll add some calculations ;)
As kindly calculated by
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To build bears, you need to spend 1k+2.5k+10k=13500 gold and 10 crystals
To place devils, you need 1k+2k+3k+4k+15k=25000 gold and 23 mercury.
For barbarians, bears are usually always placed (80-90% probability), and even always with a castle, which is +2.5K + 5K = 7500 gold

Generate an Inferno respawn, mercury often drops in the form of groups, it usually doesn't make sense to go into the beastmen's territory – the groups are repelled by the 2nd and 3rd waves (demons-pits-ifrit), and the Pyre should crawl out as quickly as possible to one or two money respawns – usually this is grass ;) - that's why you need to skillfully use your two restarts ;)

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